Chemical Kinetics: determining order of reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to chemical kinetics, specifically determining the order of a reaction based on a given plot of 1/[AB] versus time. Participants explore the implications of the slope of the plot and its relation to the reaction order.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that since the plot of 1/[AB] versus time yields a straight line, it implies a second-order reaction, as indicated by the integrated rate law.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the negative slope of the plot, noting that it contradicts the expectation of a positive slope for a second-order reaction.
  • A later reply suggests that if [AB] is decreasing over time, then 1/[AB] should be increasing, which would indicate a positive slope, leading to further confusion about the problem statement.
  • One participant proposes that the negative slope might be a mistake in the problem statement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the slope and its implications for the reaction order. Confusion remains regarding the negative slope and its compatibility with the characteristics of a second-order reaction.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the problem statement, particularly regarding the sign of the slope and its implications for the concentration of [AB].

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Homework Statement



Good day! I have a question from my chem HW that is stumping me. Although the answer may be simple, it has eluded me for quite a bit. It regards rate laws and constants of reactions.

Question is as stated: This reaction was monitored as a function of time: AB --> A + B

A plot of 1/[AB] versus time yields a straight line
with slope= - 0.055 M-1s-1

What is the value of the rate constant (k) at this temp?

Homework Equations



SINCE it stated 1/[AB] vs. time, its implying an order 2 reaction since order 2 reaction
has the integrated rate law:
1/[AB]t = kt + 1/[AB]0

y-axis = 1/[AB]...

The Attempt at a Solution



When a order 2 reaction is plotted against time, k = slope. When the question stated it was talking about a plot of 1/[AB] its referring to a order 2 reaction, and since order 2 reactions (when plotted against time) have a y-axis = 1/[AB], I am deducing the reaction is order 2.

I'm confused since the given slope is negative, and every graph of an order 2 reaction vs. time in my book has a straight line with a positive slope.

Like I said, its an easy problem, with an easy solution, but I'm not seeing it.
 
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BrettJimison said:

Homework Statement



Good day! I have a question from my chem HW that is stumping me. Although the answer may be simple, it has eluded me for quite a bit. It regards rate laws and constants of reactions.

Question is as stated: This reaction was monitored as a function of time: AB --> A + B

A plot of 1/[AB] versus time yields a straight line
with slope= - 0.055 M-1s-1

What is the value of the rate constant (k) at this temp?





Homework Equations



SINCE it stated 1/[AB] vs. time, its implying an order 2 reaction since order 2 reaction
has the integrated rate law:
1/[AB]t = kt + 1/[AB]0

y-axis = 1/[AB]...


The Attempt at a Solution



When a order 2 reaction is plotted against time, k = slope. When the question stated it was talking about a plot of 1/[AB] its referring to a order 2 reaction, and since order 2 reactions (when plotted against time) have a y-axis = 1/[AB], I am deducing the reaction is order 2.

I'm confused since the given slope is negative, and every graph of an order 2 reaction vs. time in my book has a straight line with a positive slope.

Like I said, its an easy problem, with an easy solution, but I'm not seeing it.
If [AB] is decreasing with time, then 1/[AB] must be increasing with time. That's why the slope is positive.

Chet
 
Thanks for the reply, but 1/[AB] has a negative slope not positive in this problem. That's why I'm confused. The graph would indicate that 1/[AB] is decreasing with time which means [AB] is increasing which makes no sense.
 
BrettJimison said:
Thanks for the reply, but 1/[AB] has a negative slope not positive in this problem. That's why I'm confused. The graph would indicate that 1/[AB] is decreasing with time which means [AB] is increasing which makes no sense.
Oh. I didn't notice that. It must just be a mistake in the problem statement.

Chet
 

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