Zero Point: Solving for it and what it is.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "Zero Point," specifically its definition as the point of equivalence of gravitational and electromagnetic forces acting on two objects. Participants explore the equations used to calculate this Zero Point and raise questions about the implications and interpretations of these calculations.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines Zero Point as the balance point of gravitational and electromagnetic forces, providing equations for calculation based on mass and charge ratios.
  • Another participant critiques the initial equations, suggesting they lead to infinite results and questioning the normalization of the quantities involved.
  • Some participants express confusion about the terminology and concepts, requesting clearer explanations.
  • A participant presents an alternative calculation for the Zero Point, highlighting discrepancies with the original equations.
  • Discussions arise regarding the total charge of the universe, referencing Gauss's Law and the concept of global charge neutrality.
  • Further exploration includes the relationship between magnetic fields and gravitational forces, questioning the existence of an equivalent Gauss's Law for magnetism.
  • Participants propose the idea of a generalized Gauss's Law that incorporates both matter and antimatter, as well as gravitational interactions at astronomical distances.
  • Questions are raised about the relationship between classical and non-classical concepts in physics, particularly in engineering contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of Zero Point, with no consensus reached on the validity of the equations or the implications of the concepts discussed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of gravitational and electromagnetic interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in understanding due to the complexity of the equations and concepts, indicating that assumptions and definitions may not be fully clarified. The discussion also touches on philosophical implications of holistic quantities in physics.

  • #31
Furthermore, if the invariance given by

[tex]\vec{a} \cdot \vec{r} = c^2[/tex]

is inserted into the simple formula for angular frequency

[tex]\vec{a} \cdot \vec{r} = \left( \frac{2 \omega}{\pi} \right)^2[/tex]
 
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  • #32
Are you not violating the uncertainty principle with a unitless radius of 1? At those levels you cannot suppose a particle with a definite radius, can you?
Regards
EP
Antonio Lao said:
therefore the above definition of angular frequency implies a unitless radius of 1.
 
  • #33
Remember it is not a wave, it is not a particle, it is an energetic system, whose state cannot be determined completely
Regards
RP
Antonio Lao said:
The circumference of a circle is [tex]2 \pi r[/tex], therefore the above definition of angular frequency implies a unitless radius of 1.
 
  • #34
I think, in physics, the unitless radius is replace by the phase angle of a wave. a right triangle of sides 3-4-5 always has the same complementary angles regardless of how the sides are scaled as long as the ratio remains 3-4-5. The invariance of the phase angle is a scaling transformation invariance applicable to all similar right triangles at any given scale. And all trigonometric functions is the ratio of two sides of a particular right triangle. In a sense, it is applying the Pythagorean theorem over and over again. This theorem is the basis for the definition of a length and a distance and any higher dimensional metric.
 
  • #35
If I have in mind, at the background Euler relation, in a certain sense I can follow you, but then in it, phase angle is quite different from the radius or amplitude of that wave.
Regards
EP
Antonio Lao said:
I think, in physics, the unitless radius is replace by the phase angle of a wave...In a sense, it is applying the Pythagorean theorem over and over again. This theorem is the basis for the definition of a length and a distance and any higher dimensional metric.
 
  • #36
The existence of a minimum triangular surface area of 1/2 corresponding to a unit square does not depend on the curvature of spacetime where the surface is embedded and clearly demonstrated in an Euclidean geometry using the parallel axiom.
 
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  • #37
The Euler's identities are given by

[tex]e^{+ i \theta} = cos \theta + i sin \theta[/tex]

and

[tex]e^{- i \theta} = cos \theta - i sin \theta[/tex]

A complex number z is given by

[tex]z = r \left( cos \theta + i sin \theta \right)[/tex]

So Euler's identities is the same as when r=1 and

[tex]z = e^{ i \theta}[/tex]
 
  • #38
But the complex number is defined as z = x + iy. This is like adding apples to oranges where x is an apple and iy is an orange. Physically, I still failed to understand this but mathematically, I guess, anything is possible.
 

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