Where Does Our Body's Bacteria Come From?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of bacteria in the human body, exploring how these microorganisms are acquired, their roles, and the implications of living without them. It touches on concepts related to microbiomes, maternal transmission, and the existence of germ-free animals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that bacteria enter the body through various means, including maternal contact during pregnancy, food, water, and air.
  • One participant argues that the body does not regulate the amount of bacteria it lets in but can kill some bacteria, while another mentions that beneficial bacteria in the intestine are influenced by food availability.
  • Several participants note that infants are initially bacteria-free and acquire their microbiota from their environment, including maternal feces.
  • There is a discussion about the evolutionary relationship between humans and their bacteria, with some suggesting that humans would struggle to survive without them due to their roles in digestion and immune function.
  • Contrasting views emerge regarding the necessity of bacteria for survival, with some asserting that germ-free animals can live without bacteria, while others emphasize the critical functions bacteria perform for human health.
  • Participants discuss the concept of gnotobiotic animals, clarifying that these animals can be completely germ-free or have a limited number of known microorganisms.
  • One participant introduces a misunderstanding about the term "microbiota," which is corrected by another who refocuses the discussion on gut flora.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the necessity of bacteria for human survival and the implications of living without them. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing opinions on the roles and origins of bacteria in the body.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of terms like "gnotobiotic" and "microbiota," which may not be universally understood. The discussion also reflects varying levels of knowledge about the conditions required for maintaining germ-free animals.

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I was just wondering where all the bacteria in our bodies comes from? Does it enter the body through the mother during pregnancy? Also how does the body know how much to let in?
 
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binbots said:
I was just wondering where all the bacteria in our bodies comes from? Does it enter the body through the mother during pregnancy? Also how does the body know how much to let in?
Much of it comes in through food or water- some in the air we breathe. The body does NOT "know how much to let in". But it can kill some of the bacteria. And the "beneficial" bacteria in the intestine is pretty much controlled based on how much food it gets.
 
binbots said:
I was just wondering where all the bacteria in our bodies comes from? Does it enter the body through the mother during pregnancy? Also how does the body know how much to let in?

You eat them (or drink them, as HallsofIvy mentioned). Several species of infant animals have their mother's feces for a first meal in order to get the bacteria into their gut.
 
Flora are established relatively early in life, much of it from maternal contact, and it will change during life. You'll have more bacterial/microbial cells in and on your body than human cells and their dynamic has to do with available space, substrate, competition with you and other microbe, etc.

Look up the term "microbiome."
 
Thanks everyone. So when we are born we are bacteria free. But without these bacteria we will die. That is just interesting to think about.
 
We probably won't die without them but we and they have evolved together so it won't be easy wthout them - one can sustain gnotobiotic (microbe-free) animals.
 
JorgeLobo said:
We probably won't die without them but we and they have evolved together so it won't be easy wthout them - one can sustain gnotobiotic (microbe-free) animals.

Actually we'd probably die without our bacteria. They preform a host of services for us, from helping in digestion to out-competing real "bad" bacteria. Our immune systems evolved with them as well and there is evidence that bacteria and parasites help "pacify" our immune system--Or better keep it occupied such that it doesn't start attacking self-antigens.
 
bobze said:
Actually we'd probably die without our bacteria. They preform a host of services for us, from helping in digestion to out-competing real "bad" bacteria. Our immune systems evolved with them as well and there is evidence that bacteria and parasites help "pacify" our immune system--Or better keep it occupied such that it doesn't start attacking self-antigens.

In practice, we would probably die. However, germ-free animals are an important component of biomedical research, and so it is clearly possible to live without bacteria present.
 
Andy Resnick said:
In practice, we would probably die. However, germ-free animals are an important component of biomedical research, and so it is clearly possible to live without bacteria present.
Hi Andy, do these germ-free animals have no bacteria in the gut either?
 
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Andy Resnick said:
In practice, we would probably die. However, germ-free animals are an important component of biomedical research, and so it is clearly possible to live without bacteria present.

I agree Andy. The requirements that germ-free animals must be kept under (or even gnobiotic animals where the few strains that do live on them are known) aren't realistic to keeping a human being under. A bacteria free human, outside of a science-fiction novel, is a dead human.
 
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Q_Goest said:
Hi Andy, do these germ-free animals have no bacteria in the gut either?

There are animals that can be completely germ free which can used to study the effects of how a single type of bacteria introduced interact with their physiological and biological functions. Gnobiotic animals are animals with a known limited number of strains of microorganisms living on/with them.
 
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No bobze - gnotobiotic concept also includes germ-free animals.
 
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JorgeLobo said:
No bobze - gnotobiotic concept also includes germ-free animals.

Jorge, I didn't say anything that disagreed with that...gnotobiosis (to "know life") refers to knowing an organisms microbial flora--Be that a few strains of known microorganisms colonizing the organism, or "knowing" it posses no microbial flora. Obviously then Jorge, the set "germ-free" belongs to the set gnotobiotic...But thanks for playin anyway!
 
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Jimmy23 said:
I thinks microbiota is a genus of evergreen coniferous shrub in the cypress family Cupressaceae, containing only one species, Microbiota decussata.

The thread is not about the genus microbiota but about gut flora, microbes present in our intestines.
 

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