Law of the lever without (infinitesimal) displacements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the derivation of the law of the lever in static scenarios, specifically exploring whether it can be established without reference to displacements, including infinitesimal or virtual ones. Participants examine the implications of this approach on the understanding of force laws in mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the law of the lever is typically derived using work and displacements but questions if it can be derived without these concepts.
  • Another participant proposes that the law can be derived from torque in a static scenario.
  • A participant introduces the idea of using a block and tackle system, though the context of this suggestion is unclear.
  • Further, a participant mentions modeling the lever as a 3 node truss to derive static equilibrium, asserting that this method does not require references to work or torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods of deriving the law of the lever, with some supporting the use of torque and others proposing alternative approaches. No consensus is reached on a singular method or the feasibility of the proposed derivations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of existing derivations, particularly regarding the dependence on concepts of work and torque, and the assumptions involved in modeling static systems.

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Hi.

Usually the law of the lever or similar force laws for simple machines are derived using
$$W_1=F_1\cdot s_1=F_2\cdot s_2=W_2\enspace,$$
sometimes called "Golden Rule of Mechanics". However, these force laws also hold in the static case where no work is done. Is it possible to derive the law of the lever without using any displacements, not even infinitesimal or virtual ones? As far as I can see, such a derivation would have to be independent of conservation of energy, as mechanical work is defined in terms of displacements.
 
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For a static scenario you could easily derive it from torque
 
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Let's take a block and tackle system then.
 
greypilgrim said:
Let's take a block and tackle system then.
Take it where? What are you asking?
 
greypilgrim said:
Let's take a block and tackle system then.
Do a free body diagram at each pulley assuming uniform tension.
 
greypilgrim said:
Is it possible to derive the law of the lever without using any displacements, not even infinitesimal or virtual ones?
You can model the lever as a 3 node truss (triangle as the simplest rigid structure) to derive the static equilibrium, without any mention of work or torque.
 
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