Question about photon entanglement and causality

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The discussion centers on the concept of photon entanglement and its implications for causality, particularly in the context of the delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment. Participants explore the relationship between observation and the behavior of entangled photons, questioning how these phenomena challenge conventional notions of cause and effect.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the implications of entangled photons behaving as if they were observed simultaneously, despite one being unobserved, suggesting a challenge to conventional causality.
  • Another participant requests references to support claims made about the experiment, indicating a need for clarity and substantiation in the discussion.
  • Several participants reference the delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment, with one noting that the Wikipedia page clarifies that there is no actual retrocausality involved.
  • A participant suggests that the original poster (OP) should reformulate their question based on specific quotes from referenced materials to enhance clarity.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others, indicating that the discussion has been helpful in understanding the topic.

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There appears to be no consensus on the implications of the delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment regarding retrocausality, with some participants asserting that it does not imply retrocausality while others are still exploring the question. The discussion remains unresolved on the specific outcomes of the proposed scenario involving the rigged apparatus.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding of the experiment, and there are references to external sources that may contain assumptions or interpretations not fully explored in the thread. The original question lacks sufficient detail for some participants to engage meaningfully.

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Entanglement can make effect precede its cause, seemingly. What happens if the effect is rigged to prevent the cause?
I have read that if two photons are entangled, and one photon is sent through a 2-slotted paper and is unobserved, then the second is sent through and is observed, the earlier photon is found to have behaved as though it were observed right along with the second one, seemingly defying conventional wisdom that cause must come before effect. My question is, if the first photon is rigged in an apparatus that signals to prevent the observation of either photon, but only if the first photon behaves as though it is observed, what will happen when trying to observe the second photon entangled with it?
 
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cgsanderson said:
I have read
Where? Please give a reference.
 
cgsanderson said:
Thanks, that makes it much clearer what experiment you're talking about. Unfortunately, your OP doesn't really give a good description of either the experiment or what your question is about it, so I'm not sure how to respond. But briefly:

cgsanderson said:
seemingly defying conventional wisdom that cause must come before effect.
As the Wikipedia page notes, there is no actual "retrocausality" going on.

This post in a previous PF thread gives a good brief description of how to interpret what is going on in this experiment:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...quantum-eraser-experiment.880236/post-5530490

I would suggest reading that post, and re-reading the Wikipedia page, and then trying to formulate a question based on actual quotes from those places.
 
PeterDonis said:
Thanks, that makes it much clearer what experiment you're talking about. Unfortunately, your OP doesn't really give a good description of either the experiment or what your question is about it, so I'm not sure how to respond. But briefly:


As the Wikipedia page notes, there is no actual "retrocausality" going on.

This post in a previous PF thread gives a good brief description of how to interpret what is going on in this experiment:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...quantum-eraser-experiment.880236/post-5530490

I would suggest reading that post, and re-reading the Wikipedia page, and then trying to formulate a question based on actual quotes from those places.
Thank you!
 
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cgsanderson said:
Thank you!
Here is an explanantion of why the quantum eraser does not imply retrocausality:

 
Thank you so much! This is extremely helpful.
 
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