Need tips to understand Relativistic Energy in Special Relativity

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The discussion revolves around understanding relativistic energy in the context of special relativity, specifically focusing on the derivation of kinetic energy and the relationship between kinetic energy and rest energy. Participants explore mathematical expressions and integrals related to these concepts, including the transition from classical to relativistic formulations.

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  • One participant presents a derivation of kinetic energy using integrals and expresses confusion about the final steps, particularly regarding the integral involving relativistic factors.
  • Another participant suggests a method of inspection for solving the integral and hints at a potential relationship between the integrand and its derivative.
  • A different participant introduces a change of variables involving hyperbolic functions and references related discussions for further insights.
  • One participant corrects a previous attempt at substitution in the integral, clarifying the differential relationship involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of checking the differentiation of the antiderivative to confirm the integral's correctness.
  • A participant provides a detailed substitution method for evaluating the integral, leading to a similar expression for kinetic energy.
  • One participant summarizes the final step of the derivation, reiterating the expression for kinetic energy in terms of relativistic factors.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the derivation, with no consensus reached on the best method for evaluating the integral or the clarity of the final expressions. Multiple competing views on the derivation process remain evident.

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Some participants note the dependence on calculus knowledge for understanding the derivations, and there are unresolved steps in the mathematical processes discussed, particularly regarding the integration techniques and substitutions used.

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I don't understand how Tipler/Mosca famous book accomplishes Relativistic Energy
As in classic mechanics, we will define kinetic energy as the work done by the net force in accelerating a particle from rest to some final velocity ##u_f##. Considering one dimension only, we have

$$K=\displaystyle\int_{u=0}^{u=u_f}F_{net}\,ds=\displaystyle\int_{u=0}^{u-u_f}\cfrac{dp}{dt}\,ds=\displaystyle\int_{u=0}^{u-u_f}u\,dp=\displaystyle\int_{u=0}^{u-u_f}u\,d\Bigg (\cfrac{mu}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}\Bigg )\qquad{39-21}$$

where we have used ##u=ds/dt##. It is left as a problem for you to show that

$$d\Bigg (\cfrac{mu}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}\Bigg )=m\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u\,du$$

(I needed a quick browsing to understand it)

$$K=\displaystyle\int_{u=0}^{u=u_f}u\,d\Bigg (\cfrac{mu}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}\Bigg )=\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}m\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u\,du$$

$$=mc^2\Bigg (\cfrac{1}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}-1\Bigg )$$

This last step is what I don't understand.

Attempt

$$(1-u^2/c^2)=t\Rightarrow{dt=-2u/c^2}$$

But it doesn't work: I can't get rid of ##u##. I neither know how to deal with ##c##

$$K=\cfrac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}-mc^2\qquad{39-22}$$

REST ENERGY

$$E_0=mc^2\qquad{39-23}$$

RELATIVISTIC ENERGY

$$E=K+mc^2=\cfrac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}\qquad{39-24}$$
 
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mcastillo356 said:
$$\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}m\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u\,du$$
I think this is the integral you are attempting to compute. If so, I'd do it by inspection. For any integrand with a ##1/f^n(x)## it's worth asking if ##1/f^{n+1}(x)## might be the solution and seeing if the rest of the integrand turns out to be ##f'(x)##.
 
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mcastillo356 said:
Attempt

##(1−u^2/c^2)=t⇒dt=−2u/c^2##
Should be ##dt=−2u/c^2\ du##
 
mcastillo356 said:
$$K=\displaystyle\int_{u=0}^{u=u_f}u\,d\Bigg (\cfrac{mu}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}\Bigg )=\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}m\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u\,du$$

$$=mc^2\Bigg (\cfrac{1}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}-1\Bigg )$$

This last step is what I don't understand.
An integral is an antiderivative. The only thing you need to check is that:
$$mc^2\frac d {du} \bigg (\cfrac{1}{\sqrt{1-(u^2/c^2)}}\Bigg ) = m\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u$$You should never be confused by an integral like that. All you need to do is check by differentiation.

That said, you might ask how you find that antiderivative? I think substitution is a clumsy way to do it, because you should be able to see that:
$$\frac d {du}\bigg((1 - au^2)^{-\frac 1 2}\bigg) = -\frac 1 2(1 - au^2)^{-\frac 3 2}(-2au) = au(1 - au^2)^{-\frac 3 2} $$And, that derivative is something that you should be familiar with by now. You should be able to write that down with minimal calculation.

Note that the author probably assumes you have the prerequisite calculus knowledge, and are not going to be stumped by something that you should already know.
 
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$$\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}m\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u\,du=m\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,u\,du$$

$$1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}=t\Rightarrow{-\cfrac{2u}{c^2}}\,du=dt\Rightarrow{u\,du=-\cfrac{c^2}{2}\,dt}$$

$$m\Big (-\frac{c^2}{2}\Big )\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}\Bigg (1-\cfrac{u^2}{c^2}\Bigg )^{-3/2}\,dt$$

$$-m\cfrac{c^2}{2}\displaystyle\int_0^{u_f}t^{-3/2}\,dt=-m\frac{c^2}{2}\cdot\cfrac{t^{-1/2}}{-1/2}\Bigg |_0^{u_f}$$

$$mc^2\Bigg (\cfrac{1}{\sqrt{1-\cfrac{u_f^2}{c^2}}}-1\Bigg )$$
 
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Last step is this way

$$mc^2t^{-1/2}\bigg |_{1}^{1-\frac{u_f^2}{c^2}}=mc^2\left (\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-u_f^2/c^2}}-1\right )$$
 
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