Why does a gyroscope resist rotating towards the ground?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of gyroscopes, specifically why a gyroscope resists rotating towards the ground when subjected to gravitational torque. Participants explore concepts related to angular momentum, torque, and precession, using examples such as a bicycle wheel and a gimbal-mounted gyroscope.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the classic bicycle wheel demonstration and expresses confusion about the relationship between angular momentum and gravitational torque, seeking clarification on why the wheel resists downward rotation.
  • Another participant introduces a conceptual analogy involving a red dot on the tire, suggesting that the dot's tendency to move in a straight line is a key factor, while noting that gravity's influence becomes significant only when momentum is lost to friction.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the mechanics of a gimbal-mounted gyroscope, where the participant divides the wheel's motion into quadrants and discusses the effects of mass movement towards and away from the swivel axis, leading to a dynamic equilibrium between gravitational and precessional forces.
  • A humorous remark is made about the limitations of gyroscopic stability in practical situations, such as car tires flipping over during sharp turns, indicating a light-hearted acknowledgment of the complexities involved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of why the gyroscope resists downward rotation. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations are presented, with some participants seeking clarification while others offer differing analogies and explanations.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of motion and forces involved, as well as the mathematical relationships that govern gyroscopic behavior. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and interpretations that have not been fully reconciled.

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Today in class we have an intro to gyroscopes where my professor gave the classic "bicycle wheel" example where he spun a bicycle wheel to give it significant angular velocity, attached one end of the wheel apparatus to a string fixed to the ceiling, and let the wheel hang and precess (just like as shown in this video ). I understand how the angular momentum is in the -x direction (typically cartesian 3-d system) and the torque due to the gravitational force is in the +z direction, but I cannot rectify this with why the wheel resists rotated towards the ground. Can anyone help me to understand this?
 
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Watching that video was almost a spiritual experience.

Not sure I follow your coordinate system, but if you paint a red dot on the tire representing an atom, it sure wants to go in a straight line as much as it can. The spokes keep it in a circular motion, but gravity doesn't have much of a say in this until the red dot has lost momentum to friction.
 
FIphysics said:
I cannot rectify this with why the wheel resists rotated towards the ground.

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The first image shows a gimbal mounted gyroscope wheel. From outside to inside there is a yellow housing and a red housing. (I will get to the green arrows - and another detail - later.)

I will define three axes:
# Roll axis - the gyroscope wheel spins around the roll axis.

# Pitch axis - motion of the red housing, as you can see, the gimbal mounting ensures the pitch axis is perpendicular to the roll axis.

# Swivel axis - motion of the yellow housing.


First start the gyroscope wheel spinning fast. Then add some swivel.
The second image shows a single quadrant.

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Rather than trying to mentally follow the entire wheel as it spins I suggest you divide in four quadrants, and you consider the mechanics of the motion in each quadrant.

I will concentrate on the quadrant of the second image now.

The mass in that quadrant is moving towards the swivel axis. Think of a point particle somewhere along the wheel rim, for example the point where the green arrow starts. That point is circumnavigating the swivel axis, with a corresponding velocity. Moving closer to the swivel axis the point has a tendency to pull ahead of the overall rotation. (Compare what happens when you twirl around an object tied to a string. Pull on the string to make it shorter and the object goes around faster.)

Repeating the first image:

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(The brown cilinder represents a weight that tends to pitch the gyroscope wheel.)

In two of the quadrants the wheel mass is moving towards the swivel axis, in the other two away from the swivel axis.

The green arrows represent precession-caused tendency for each quadrant. Combining the four quadrants you see there is a pitching effect.

You can apply that finding to the example of the bicycle wheel demonstration. When the bicycle wheel is precessing there is a state of dynamic equilibrium. Gravity imparts a tendency to pitch down, the precessing motion imparts a tendency to pitch up. Those two tendencies are in dynamic equilibrium.

Full story, including math, is in the http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/gyroscope_physics.php" article on my website.
 
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Funny how my fast spinning car tires don't prevent me from flipping over in a bad turn.
OK, that's just humor...
 

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