Bush's Cabinet - The Corporate Connection

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The discussion revolves around the composition of Bush's Cabinet, particularly the presence of members with corporate backgrounds in the oil, energy, and mining sectors. Participants explore the implications of having corporate leaders in government, touching on themes of deregulation, conflicts of interest, and the potential benefits and drawbacks of such appointments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that corporate leaders prioritize deregulation, which they argue can lead to negative consequences.
  • Others suggest that corporate experience may provide valuable skills for governance, arguing that such leaders could be better equipped to manage large-scale operations than traditional politicians.
  • There are questions about the fairness of allowing individuals with corporate ties to hold significant government positions, particularly regarding potential conflicts of interest.
  • One participant highlights the historical context, referencing past political figures who acted against corporate interests for the greater good.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that CEOs will prioritize public welfare, suggesting that their profit-driven motives may conflict with their responsibilities in government.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the role of corporate leaders in government and the implications of their appointments. Some advocate for the benefits of corporate experience, while others emphasize the risks associated with potential conflicts of interest and deregulation.

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The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions about the motivations of corporate leaders and the nature of political service, with no resolution on the validity of these assumptions or their implications for governance.

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Originally posted by Adam
Members of Bush's Cabinet, all from big oil and energy and mining? You bet.]
Having corporate leaders in government is far better than having career politicians. I highly recommend Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders."
 


Originally posted by russ_watters
Having corporate leaders in government is far better than having career politicians. I highly recommend Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders."
Pointing us towards fiction, huh? LOL, ok, it can't be any worse than the fiction that is modern politics!

Having corporate leaders in government is not the best thing in the world, because the first thing they push for is deregulation, which inevitably leads to trouble.
 
Well, I think that you could guess what I think about the fact that big business people, many of whom are in oil and energy, being the leaders of the country, and then their industries subsequently getting great government contracts and policy changes.
 
Would it be fair to not let people with corporate connections be President? I mean, a lot of the corporate skills could overlap with the Presidential ones?
 
Originally posted by Dave
Would it be fair to not let people with corporate connections be President? I mean, a lot of the corporate skills could overlap with the Presidential ones?

Is it fair to appoint someone to run an agency for the benefit of the people, when it is in his financial interests to run it into the ground instead?
 
Originally posted by Zero
Is it fair to appoint someone to run an agency for the benefit of the people, when it is in his financial interests to run it into the ground instead?

I guess that answer would be no...
 
terrific quote, DD. so far as I've heard, it's Bechtel (search 'big dig' in boston) and Worldcom (search 'biggest fraud in history') that've been anointed with the Iraqi booty.
You know, one of the things that Clinton did, was to sign policy that flew in the face of the very industries that supported him, because it was in the best interest of the country to do so. Few men are as devoted to principle.
 
Originally posted by schwarzchildradius
...Clinton... because it was in the best interest of the country to do so. Few men are as devoted to principle.
Hehe. You serious? I guess you probably are.
 
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Thanks, RW, yes I'm serious. It's just too bad that Gore smoked so much pot etc, he couda been a contenda!
 
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Having corporate leaders in government is not the best thing in the world, because the first thing they push for is deregulation, which inevitably leads to trouble.

I'm not saying that I disagree with you Zero, but you must take into account that there are many benefits too. These people can see a bigger picture than an every day politician and in addition, I would like to say that if they are from:

all from big oil and energy and mining
as Adam said, then they would probably be good choices in this time period for two reasons. 1) They have experience running such large companies that they would probably be better off helping run a country than some senator that at most has represented his/her state and never had any real experience running a country or business.
2)Right now, we need those things; Energy, Oil, and for Mining all sorts of things like Gold for example.
 
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The problem is, these people want to deregulate everything...and as it has become abumdantly clear, unregulated business is a bad idea.
 
  • #13
Shadow, the big problem with your post is that it has the assumption that CEOs will care about others. Big oil CEOS are big oil CEOs because they were cutthroat and maximized profits for their own business, regardless of how their actions affect others.
 
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Big oil CEOS are big oil CEOs because they were cutthroat and maximized profits for their own business, regardless of how their actions affect others.

With all due respect dan that pretty much sums up quite a few politicians these days. Some would give anything for power.
 

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