Another Travesty of Science - Rejecting Solar Panels For....

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The discussion revolves around a recent incident where a town in North Carolina rejected a proposal for solar panels, with participants exploring the reasons behind this decision, the reactions to it, and the implications of media reporting on the matter. The scope includes community sentiments, media representation, and the intersection of local politics and environmental concerns.

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  • Some participants express disbelief at the reasons given for rejecting solar panels, describing them as ridiculous.
  • Others suggest that the objections may stem from deeper community concerns about external corporations affecting local politics and economics.
  • There is mention of conflicting media reports regarding the statements made by local residents, with some participants questioning the accuracy of these representations.
  • One participant highlights a specific resident's claim about the negative impact of solar farms on local vegetation, which is met with skepticism regarding its validity.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential misrepresentation of local sentiments by various media outlets, with references to specific articles and quotes.
  • Participants discuss the broader implications of the town's decision on its demographic and economic future, particularly regarding youth retention.

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Participants generally express disagreement regarding the reasons for the town's rejection of solar panels, with multiple competing views on the motivations behind the decision and the accuracy of media portrayals. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the underlying issues.

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Limitations include the potential for miscommunication in media reports, the lack of comprehensive community feedback, and the complexity of local economic dynamics that may not be fully captured in the discussion.

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Readers interested in community responses to renewable energy initiatives, media influence on public perception, and the intersection of local politics and environmental issues may find this discussion relevant.

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fresh_42 said:
I'm not sure whether it is a fake. It is simply too ridiculous.

I used to say ridiculous things for fun. I had to give it up. There are so many people who believe ridiculous things. Strangers concluded that I was one of them.
 
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To be fair, the article quotes only two people who spoke up with ridiculous objections to solar panels. The real community objection might have been something like suspicion of a corporation coming in from the outside and altering the balance of local politics and the local economy.
 
Choppy said:
Sometimes you don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
That was my initial reaction.
collinsmark said:
According to Snopes (a website dedicated to determining which [mostly Internet based] viral memes are false and which are genuine), it's genuine.
After some browsing, this will be the 1st time I've disagreed with Snopes.

zoobyshoe said:
To be fair, the article quotes only two people who spoke up with ridiculous objections to solar panels. The real community objection might have been something like suspicion of a corporation coming in from the outside and altering the balance of local politics and the local economy.

Not completely ridiculous, IMHO.
It's actually quite complicated:

No, That North Carolina Town Didn’t Ban Solar Panels For Sucking Up Sun [techtimes.com]
...according to official statements to Tech Times, fear of solar technology had nothing to do with the decision.
I kind of agree with this.
Did Media Misquote NC Anti-Solar Residents To Make Them Look Stupid? [dailycaller.com]
Numerous left-wing media outlets have repeatedly misquoted citizens of Woodland, N.C.
...
I kind of agree with this, also.
They also referenced:
http://www.cggc.duke.edu/pdfs/02152015Duke_CGGC_NCSolarEnergyReport.pdf [duke.edu]
Which kind of impressed me,

dailycaller also said;
The town council turned down the proposed solar farm by a vote of 3 to 1. The council’s rejection of the measure was largely focused around the effect a nearby solar plant could have on the price of homes. A study by The University of California Berkeley found that houses near solar farms lost 3 to 7 percent of their value with larger increases near particularly large solar farms.

Which confirmed my suspicion that "dailycaller" was really a bunch of ball faced liars, as http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/ldavis/pp.pdf was titled; "The Effect of Power Plants on Local Housing Values and Rents"

Only once in the paper was the word "solar" used.

But that sparked my interest of the people in the original article.
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link [roanoke-chowannewsherald.com]

where;
Mary Hobbs has been living in Woodland for 50 years and said she has watched it slowly becoming a ghost town with no job opportunities for young people.
She said her home is surrounded by solar farms and is no longer worth its value because of those facilities.

This kind of reminded me of the "correlation vs causation" thingy, so I took a Google-Earth snapshot of the Woodland area, and couldn't really see any "solar farms".
Woodland.NC.May.2015.jpg

The yellow line is one mile long.

Does anyone know where Mary Hobbs lives?
 
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Excellent research once again, Omcheeto!
 
zoobyshoe said:
To be fair, the article quotes only two people who spoke up with ridiculous objections to solar panels

Two people with the same last names.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
Excellent research once again, Omcheeto!
:redface:
As a hyper-advocate of both solar and greenery, I was somewhat appalled that North Carolina is #4 at installing solar in such a green state.
As that one lady* said; "areas near solar panels where vegetation is brown and dead because it did not receive enough sunlight"

extracted from the article:
"She said she has observed areas near solar panels where vegetation is brown and dead because it did not receive enough sunlight," says Hoggard. Mann's husband went on to explain that "the solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun."

Obviously, her husband is the idiot, who started this whole thing, when he should have just shut up, and let the expert talk.

See: Mansplaining.

*Jane Mann: local native, concerned about the natural vegetation that makes the community beautiful, and retired science teacher.
 
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OmCheeto said:
:redface:extracted from the article:
"She said she has observed areas near solar panels where vegetation is brown and dead because it did not receive enough sunlight," says Hoggard. Mann's husband went on to explain that "the solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun."

Obviously, her husband is the idiot, who started this whole thing, when he should have just shut up, and let the expert talk.

See: Mansplaining.
Except that, hehe, from the link you yourself dug up:
Numerous left-wing media outlets have repeatedly misquoted citizens of Woodland, N.C., after the city government voted to reject a proposed solar farm.

An article in the Huffington Post claimed local resident Bobby Mann said the proposed solar farm would “stop plants from growing and suck up all the energy from the sun,” during his testimony to the Woodland Town Council, http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link . However, the Herald-News only directly quotes Bobby Mann as saying “You’re killing your town, [a]ll the young people are going to move out.” Other media outlets repeated the misquote.

Mann’s fears about young people moving out are likely based on the city’s population decline.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/15/d...dents-to-make-them-look-stupid/#ixzz3uoCUT3JO
 
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There's an interesting lesson in all of this - that not everything is as written on the internet!

Sometimes, perhaps we're a little too willing to believe something rings consistent with our fears.
 
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