Auxiliary Equation with Imaginary Roots

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The discussion revolves around the topic of auxiliary equations in linear differential equations with constant coefficients, specifically focusing on imaginary roots and their treatment in various courses. Participants share their experiences and expectations regarding the coverage of these concepts in their educational programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the coverage of linear differential equations with imaginary roots, noting that their introductory course did not include this topic.
  • Another participant suggests that imaginary roots are typically covered in any differential equations or ordinary differential equations course.
  • A participant explains the form of the solution when dealing with imaginary roots, providing a mathematical expression and referencing Euler's equation for conversion to sine and cosine functions.
  • One participant mentions that they found functions related to imaginary roots in a course they are taking, indicating that they will study these topics in more depth in an upcoming Complex Variables course.
  • Some participants critique the introductory course for not covering imaginary roots, suggesting it may be inadequate for a differential equations course.
  • Another participant notes that their course covers imaginary roots but excludes Cauchy-Euler equations, highlighting the limited scope of their two-credit course.
  • One participant shares their experience in a calculus course that covered similar material but felt rushed and incomplete, contrasting it with their prior studies in Further Maths.

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Participants express differing opinions on the adequacy of their courses regarding the coverage of imaginary roots in differential equations. Some feel that the courses are lacking, while others believe that such topics are typically included in standard curricula.

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Limitations include the varying depth of coverage across different courses and the subjective experiences of participants regarding their educational programs. There is also a mention of specific mathematical expressions and identities that may not be universally understood or accepted.

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I was curious about what class would cover those types of Linear DE w Constant Coeff, particularly Hyperbolic Functions and exp z type of things. I remember my lecturer said back in Intro DE that we only covered first 2 types of Auxiliary Equations - real distinct roots and real repeated ones, but not the imaginary roots because they are 'out of the scope of this course' :frown:
 
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On any Differential Equations course, or ODE course.
 
It's almost exactly the same, but some times you use the different form by the identity:

e^{x + iy} \equiv e^x \left( \sin y + i \cos y \right)
 
Cronxeh, when you have imaginary roots to an equation, then the solution is of the form:

y(x)=c_1e^{(a+bi)x}+c_2e^{(a-bi)x}

(and other more complex expressions for repeated complex roots)

You can convert this using Euler's equation:

e^{(a+bi)x}=e^{ax}\left(Cos(bx)+iSin(bx)\right)

to an expression containing exp's, sin's and cos's. Still have the i though. Can you separate the converted expression into a real part and imaginary part like:

y(x)=r(x)+iv(x)

If you do, you'll get something like:

i(c_1-c_2)

as a coefficient on the imaginary part. But that's a constant, call it k_2. Now the solution is:

y(x)=k_1r(x)+k_2v(x)

See how that works?
 
Ah thanks. I didnt have time before but now that I'm home I did some digging and found those functions covered in this course:
http://www.wellesley.edu/Math/Math208_310sontag/Homework/hwk6.html

I'm taking Complex Variables in Fall, guess we'll be covering those then
 
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" I remember my lecturer said back in Intro DE that we only covered first 2 types of Auxiliary Equations - real distinct roots and real repeated ones, but not the imaginary roots because they are 'out of the scope of this course' "

That's a pretty weak D.E. course- even for "Intro". I would hope that your school also has a higher level D.E. course.
 
we cover imaginary roots but not from cauchy-euler equations, and this course is only 2 credits and lasts half a semester anyway
 
HallsofIvy said:
" I remember my lecturer said back in Intro DE that we only covered first 2 types of Auxiliary Equations - real distinct roots and real repeated ones, but not the imaginary roots because they are 'out of the scope of this course' "

That's a pretty weak D.E. course- even for "Intro". I would hope that your school also has a higher level D.E. course.
We covered exactly the same in Calc A at University. Excpet is was all done in 30 miniuites and our Tutor is so slow at ocvering stuff it missed out loads. I'm so glad I did Further Maths at A Level.
 

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