Is Our Brain/Mind Nonlocal Like Subatomic Particles?

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The discussion explores the concept of nonlocality in relation to consciousness and the brain, drawing parallels with subatomic particles and the implications for phenomena such as telepathy and ESP. It touches on philosophical perspectives like panpsychism and idealism, as well as artistic interpretations through Cubism.

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  • Some participants propose that if subatomic particles are nonlocal, then consciousness and the brain may also be nonlocal, suggesting a connection to Schrödinger's Cat paradox.
  • Others introduce the concept of panpsychism, implying that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of all matter.
  • A participant questions the mechanisms by which quantum structures could lead to emergent phenomena like consciousness, suggesting a need for further exploration of quantum effects on awareness.
  • There is a hypothesis that the entire planet may exhibit nonlocal characteristics, not just individual consciousness.
  • Some participants express beliefs in idealism, arguing that consciousness is primary and does not require emergence from physical processes.
  • David Bohm's philosophy is referenced, suggesting that the universe is holographic and that time and space may be illusions, which could imply nonlocality at a universal level.
  • Concerns are raised about why phenomena like telepathy and ESP are not more widely accepted, with speculation that the complexity of the mind may play a role.
  • Artistic interpretations, particularly Cubism, are discussed as reflections of nonlocal awareness, suggesting that all aspects of existence occur simultaneously.
  • Some participants note that certain individuals may be more attuned to ambient information, potentially tapping into nonlocal awareness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of consciousness and its potential nonlocality, with no clear consensus reached. There are competing perspectives on the implications of quantum mechanics for consciousness and the acceptance of phenomena like telepathy.

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The discussion includes speculative claims and philosophical interpretations that rely on various assumptions about consciousness, quantum mechanics, and the nature of reality, which remain unresolved.

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If subatomic particles are "nonlocal" then our brains/mind and consciousness is nonlocal. Thid being the case, it would say a lot about the paradox of Schroedinger's Cat. What do you think?
Thanks Rad
 
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RAD4921 said:
If subatomic particles are "nonlocal" then our brains/mind and consciousness is nonlocal. Thid being the case, it would say a lot about the paradox of Schroedinger's Cat. What do you think?
Thanks Rad

First I ask "by what mechanism does the quantum 'structure' - which appears unstructured with regard to what we know as "structure" - how does it support the emergence of such structures as are found in emergent phenomena?"

This is looking at, as you say, "our brains/mind and consciousness" from the other end. What is going on on a quantum scale that has caused the emergent phenomena of "brains/minds/awareness"?

Hypothetically speaking and relying on a very close knit group of physicists who write reports about their experiments, the whole damn planet has gone non-local, not just everyone's brains/thoughts.

With this in mind, why aren't telepathy and ESP accepted as probable modes of communication given the physics surrounding the concepts?
 
quantumcarl said:
First I ask "by what mechanism does the quantum 'structure' - which appears unstructured with regard to what we know as "structure" - how does it support the emergence of such structures as are found in emergent phenomena?"

This is looking at, as you say, "our brains/mind and consciousness" from the other end. What is going on on a quantum scale that has caused the emergent phenomena of "brains/minds/awareness"?

Hypothetically speaking and relying on a very close knit group of physicists who write reports about their experiments, the whole damn planet has gone non-local, not just everyone's brains/thoughts.

With this in mind, why aren't telepathy and ESP accepted as probable modes of communication given the physics surrounding the concepts?

I cannot prove anything to you nor will I try. I can only tell you what I believe. I am an idealist. I believe all there is is consciousness so there is no need for "emergence" of it .

I believe David Bohm's philosophy that the universe at its most basic level is structured holographically, each part containing the whole. This would mean that time and space is an illusion of the discriminating mind of man. If this is the case, one could say the whole universe is nonlocal.

I don't know why ESP and telepathy isn't more prevelant in the world but it is a good question. Possibly the mind as we know it just isn't complex enough.

The idea of nonlocal consciousness came to me in the book, "The Self Aware Univese" by physicist Amit Goswami. I have his e mail address if you wish to contact him with your questions.
RAD
 
RAD4921 said:
I cannot prove anything to you nor will I try. I can only tell you what I believe. I am an idealist. I believe all there is is consciousness so there is no need for "emergence" of it .

I believe David Bohm's philosophy that the universe at its most basic level is structured holographically, each part containing the whole. This would mean that time and space is an illusion of the discriminating mind of man. If this is the case, one could say the whole universe is nonlocal.

I don't know why ESP and telepathy isn't more prevelant in the world but it is a good question. Possibly the mind as we know it just isn't complex enough.

The idea of nonlocal consciousness came to me in the book, "The Self Aware Univese" by physicist Amit Goswami. I have his e mail address if you wish to contact him with your questions.
RAD

Cool dude:-p
I agree with the idea of a non-local awareness. It is in keeping with the idea of Cubism from Braques, Piccasso and Cezzan and many later artists like Marcel DuChampes. All the aspects of all things and events are happening simultanieously and Cubism attempts to cram them into one 2D canvas. This is an example of primitive, cybernetic holography.

I also agree with your statement concerning "each part containing the whole." This concept would explain the impression we get of interconnected influences in nature and the expanding conductivity of effect that is explored by Chaos theorists.

The brain is capable of handling the buzz of information going on all around us... and it does. It's a simple physical survival mechanism that disallows this information from reaching one's immediate awareness.

There are some who are able to tap into the perceptions created by ambient, prevailing information. These are the type of people who have stopped listening to the voice of the ego. They are open to the information offered by their experience rather than pre-emptively classifying the experience with pre-conceived notions of "what it will be like". This sort of behaviour does not allow one to be a part of the "Self Aware Universe".
 
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quantumcarl said:
Cool dude:-p
I agree with the idea of a non-local awareness. It is in keeping with the idea of Cubism from Braques, Piccasso and Cezzan and many later artists like Marcel DuChampes. All the aspects of all things and events are happening simultanieously and Cubism attempts to cram them into one 2D canvas. This is an example of primitive, cybernetic holography.

I also agree with your statement concerning "each part containing the whole." This concept would explain the impression we get of interconnected influences in nature and the expanding conductivity of effect that is explored by Chaos theorists.

The brain is capable of handling the buzz of information going on all around us... and it does. It's a simple physical survival mechanism that disallows this information from reaching one's immediate awareness.

There are some who are able to tap into the perceptions created by ambient, prevailing information. These are the type of people who have stopped listening to the voice of the ego. They are open to the information offered by their experience rather than pre-emptively classifying the experience with pre-conceived notions of "what it will be like". This sort of behaviour does not allow one to be a part of the "Self Aware Universe".

You have a very rich vocabulary and I can tell you are well read and very intelligent. I must admit that I was at first intimidated by you because I thought you were a materialist attacking my philosophy of idealism. I also must admit that I quite didn't understand the ideas you first posted and had to read it twice to get what I thought the ideas you were trying to communicate. Thanks for your agreeable response. RAD

PS I can tell from your spelling that you are from Europe:approve:
 
RAD4921 said:
You have a very rich vocabulary and I can tell you are well read and very intelligent. I must admit that I was at first intimidated by you because I thought you were a materialist attacking my philosophy of idealism. I also must admit that I quite didn't understand the ideas you first posted and had to read it twice to get what I thought the ideas you were trying to communicate. Thanks for your agreeable response. RAD

PS I can tell from your spelling that you are from Europe:approve:

Actually, only from Canada, eh. Pity!

It isn't my vocabulary that's rich... its the vocabulary I use that is rich.

Ask not what your vocabulary can do for you but, what you can do for your vocabulary. (Dr. Kennedy the english teacher)
 
quantumcarl said:
Cool dude:-p
I agree with the idea of a non-local awareness. It is in keeping with the idea of Cubism from Braques, Piccasso and Cezzan and many later artists like Marcel DuChampes. All the aspects of all things and events are happening simultanieously and Cubism attempts to cram them into one 2D canvas. This is an example of primitive, cybernetic holography.

I also agree with your statement concerning "each part containing the whole." This concept would explain the impression we get of interconnected influences in nature and the expanding conductivity of effect that is explored by Chaos theorists.

The brain is capable of handling the buzz of information going on all around us... and it does. It's a simple physical survival mechanism that disallows this information from reaching one's immediate awareness.

There are some who are able to tap into the perceptions created by ambient, prevailing information. These are the type of people who have stopped listening to the voice of the ego. They are open to the information offered by their experience rather than pre-emptively classifying the experience with pre-conceived notions of "what it will be like". This sort of behaviour does not allow one to be a part of the "Self Aware Universe".

I noticed you used the term "nonlocal awareness" instead of nonlocal consciousness. In your opinion is there a difference?
 
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Philosophy and physics of Amit Goswami

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DP5/goswami.htm
 
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RAD4921 said:
I noticed you used the term "nonlocal awareness" instead of nonlocal consciousness. In your opinion is there a difference?

In my opinion "awareness" is better as a quantifiable term when measuring response to stimuli.

"Consciousness", again in my opinion, is a term too widely associated with so many juxtopposing religions, practises and individual interpretations.

Thanks.
 

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