How Much Has Atmospheric Pollution Reduced Sunlight Reaching the Earth?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the impact of atmospheric pollution, specifically fine particles, on the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface over various timeframes (5, 10, 15, or even 50 years). Participants explore the relationship between these particles and sunlight, considering both natural and anthropogenic sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the appropriate forum for their question regarding sunlight reduction due to atmospheric particles.
  • One participant mentions that while there are historical data on insolation, it primarily pertains to measurements at the top of the atmosphere, which may not directly answer the question of sunlight reaching the ground.
  • Another participant points out that measurements of sunlight at the Earth's surface are limited and have been conducted at only a few locations, making comprehensive data scarce.
  • It is noted that fine particulates can reflect and absorb sunlight, with a prevailing belief among atmospheric scientists that their primary role is as cloud condensation nuclei, potentially affecting cloud cover and density.
  • There is a suggestion that efforts to reduce factory emissions may have led to decreased overall cloud cover, which could influence sunlight reaching the surface.
  • Participants highlight the complexity of distinguishing between natural and man-made sources of fine particles, such as those from volcanic activity, forest fires, and dust storms.
  • One participant introduces the idea of including muons in the discussion of fine particles, prompting questions about their significance in relation to sunlight reaching the Earth.
  • Another participant requests evidence or studies supporting claims about the effects of muons on sunlight, indicating a need for more rigorous data in the discussion.
  • A participant references a pilot experiment related to the topic, suggesting that results may soon be published, but they do not have information on the outcomes.
  • There is a mention of an article from Scientific American that may provide insights into the relationship between cloud formation and cosmic rays, which could be relevant to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the extent of atmospheric pollution's effect on sunlight reaching the Earth. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the sources and impacts of fine particles.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the short duration of available measurements at the top of the atmosphere and the sparse coverage of surface measurements, which may not provide a comprehensive understanding of the issue.

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I don't no if this is the right place to ask this question or not

I want to know that over the past number of years, how much less sunlight is reaching the ground because of the fine particles that we are placing into the atmosphere?
Over the past 5, 10 15 or even 50 years, how much sunlight is reaching the ground compared to the present?
 
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Howlin said:
I don't no if this is the right place to ask this question or not

I want to know that over the past number of years, how much less sunlight is reaching the ground because of the fine particles that we are placing into the atmosphere?
Over the past 5, 10 15 or even 50 years, how much sunlight is reaching the ground compared to the present?

The keyword to help you in your searching is "insolation". The wikipedia article is a reasonable introduction, and has some historical data (although it appears to be for the top of the atmosphere, which won't answer your question). There look to be some good references and links at the bottom of the article that may help you out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insolation

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This might be what you are looking for.

http://oceanandair.coas.oregonstate.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=content.display&pageID=86
 
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Howlin said:
I don't no if this is the right place to ask this question or not

I want to know that over the past number of years, how much less sunlight is reaching the ground because of the fine particles that we are placing into the atmosphere?
Over the past 5, 10 15 or even 50 years, how much sunlight is reaching the ground compared to the present?

We only have approximate answers to your question because measurements at the outside of the Earth's atmosphere are relatively short-term (less than thirty years) and measurements at the surface have been made only at a relatively few locations that do not systematically cover the Earth's surface.

Fine particulates can both reflect and absorb sunlight. However, most atmospheric scientists believe that their major significance of such particulates is as cloud condensation nuclei. Such nuclei can increase both cloud cover and cloud density.

There is recent evidence that society's desire to clean up factory emissions has resulted in decreased overall cloud cover.
 
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Howlin said:
I don't no if this is the right place to ask this question or not

I want to know that over the past number of years, how much less sunlight is reaching the ground because of the fine particles that we are placing into the atmosphere?
Over the past 5, 10 15 or even 50 years, how much sunlight is reaching the ground compared to the present?

Fine particles also are produced naturally from volcanoes, forestfires and dust storms and that can vary from year to year, decade to decade, Sorting out man-made from natural is at most difficult.
 
Dotini said:
To the list of fine particles, may it be allowed to include muons?
http://cosmic.lbl.gov/SKliewer/Cosmic_Rays/Muons.htm

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
Are you making a case that they have a significant effect on sunlight reaching the earth? Do you have any kind of study on this? That might be your answer.
 
Evo said:
Are you making a case that they have a significant effect on sunlight reaching the earth? Do you have any kind of study on this? That might be your answer.

Dear Evo,

Thank you for your questions and suggestion.

Firstly and most importantly, I would like to emphasize that I am not making a case of any kind regarding sunlight reaching earth, as it is (a) beyond my ability and station to do so, and (b) treads too near certain proscribed topics which might tend to put undesirable workload on Mentors.

As tactfully as possible, and without comment, I would like to draw the attention of our readers to a pilot experiment of a few years ago: http://www.atmos-chem-phys.org/10/1635/2010/acp-10-1635-2010.html

According to rumblings in the science press, this experiment has very recently reached a conclusion which await release and publication. I have no idea of the results.

Please feel free to delete this post if it's in the best interests of PF to do so. It's no big deal to me, as I'll be kart racing at Spokane for the next couple of days!

Respectfully yours,
Steve
 

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