Minimum Kinetic Energy in a Deuteron: Which Formula Is Correct?

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The discussion centers on calculating the minimum kinetic energy of a deuteron, which consists of a proton and a neutron bound by the strong nuclear force. Two approaches to the uncertainty principle are evaluated: one using the formula Δp ~ (h-bar)/(2Δx) resulting in ΔE = 3.3 x 10^-14 J, and the other using Δp ~ (h-bar)/(Δx) yielding ΔE = 1.3 x 10^-13 J. The participants conclude that the modern form of the uncertainty principle, σx σp ≥ (h-bar)/2, is the most accurate, while the original Heisenberg equation, σx σp ≥ h-bar, remains mathematically valid but less precise. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the context in which these formulas are applied.

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Homework Statement


In a deuteron, a proton and a neutron are very weakly bound by the strong nuclear force with an average distance between the particles of about 5fm.
Due to the uncertainty principle, the particles have a minimum momentum and hence a minimum kinetic energy of ...?

Which answer is correct?


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ΔpΔx ~ (h-bar)/2
Δp ~ (h-bar)/(2Δx)

Then using:
ΔE = (Δp)^2 / 2m
ΔE = [ {(h-bar) / (2Δx)}^2 / 2m ]
Using values of Δx=5x10^-15, m=1.67x10^-27
ΔE = 3.3 x 10^-14 J

Or should it be:
Δp ~ (h-bar)/(Δx)

Then using:
ΔE = (Δp)^2 / 2m
ΔE = [ {(h-bar) / (Δx)}^2 / 2m ]
Using values of Δx=5x10^-15, m=1.67x10^-27
ΔE = 1.3 x 10^-13 J
 
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I believe it's the former. Where did you get the idea to drop the 2?
 
bossman27 said:
I believe it's the former. Where did you get the idea to drop the 2?

Because that 2nd version was given to us by the lecturer.

The former attempt is mine.
 
ZedCar said:
Because that 2nd version was given to us by the lecturer.

After further reading, \sigma x \sigma p \geq \frac{\hbar}{2} is the modern form, which is most accurate.

\sigma x \sigma p \geq \hbar was Heisenbergs original formula. It is obviously still a true mathematical statement since the minimum uncertainty is greater than in the above formula, but it is not quite as accurate.

I think your professor probably wants the original Heisenberg equation, since he decided to teach it that way. Either way, you can always write a note in next to the problem if you're worried about using the incorrect one.
 
Thanks very much bossman. That's appreciated.

bossman27 said:
\sigma x \sigma p = \hbar was Heisenbergs original formula.

I was unaware of that. I'll look into that now.

At least now I know where the "problem" lies.
 

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