Minimum Kinetic Energy in a Deuteron: Which Formula Is Correct?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum kinetic energy of a deuteron, which consists of a proton and a neutron. The participants are exploring the implications of the uncertainty principle in relation to the binding of these particles and the formulas that can be applied to determine the minimum kinetic energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the uncertainty principle to derive expressions for minimum kinetic energy, considering two different formulations of momentum. Some participants question the validity of dropping a factor of 2 in one of the approaches and discuss the historical context of the uncertainty principle's formulations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, comparing different approaches and interpretations of the uncertainty principle. There is no explicit consensus on which formula is correct, but guidance is being offered regarding the historical accuracy of the equations discussed.

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There is mention of a discrepancy between the formulas provided by the lecturer and the original formulations of the uncertainty principle, which may influence the participants' understanding and application of the concepts.

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Homework Statement


In a deuteron, a proton and a neutron are very weakly bound by the strong nuclear force with an average distance between the particles of about 5fm.
Due to the uncertainty principle, the particles have a minimum momentum and hence a minimum kinetic energy of ...?

Which answer is correct?


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ΔpΔx ~ (h-bar)/2
Δp ~ (h-bar)/(2Δx)

Then using:
ΔE = (Δp)^2 / 2m
ΔE = [ {(h-bar) / (2Δx)}^2 / 2m ]
Using values of Δx=5x10^-15, m=1.67x10^-27
ΔE = 3.3 x 10^-14 J

Or should it be:
Δp ~ (h-bar)/(Δx)

Then using:
ΔE = (Δp)^2 / 2m
ΔE = [ {(h-bar) / (Δx)}^2 / 2m ]
Using values of Δx=5x10^-15, m=1.67x10^-27
ΔE = 1.3 x 10^-13 J
 
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I believe it's the former. Where did you get the idea to drop the 2?
 
bossman27 said:
I believe it's the former. Where did you get the idea to drop the 2?

Because that 2nd version was given to us by the lecturer.

The former attempt is mine.
 
ZedCar said:
Because that 2nd version was given to us by the lecturer.

After further reading, \sigma x \sigma p \geq \frac{\hbar}{2} is the modern form, which is most accurate.

\sigma x \sigma p \geq \hbar was Heisenbergs original formula. It is obviously still a true mathematical statement since the minimum uncertainty is greater than in the above formula, but it is not quite as accurate.

I think your professor probably wants the original Heisenberg equation, since he decided to teach it that way. Either way, you can always write a note in next to the problem if you're worried about using the incorrect one.
 
Thanks very much bossman. That's appreciated.

bossman27 said:
\sigma x \sigma p = \hbar was Heisenbergs original formula.

I was unaware of that. I'll look into that now.

At least now I know where the "problem" lies.
 

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