Expected values in infinite square well

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the expected value in the context of an infinite square well potential, specifically focusing on the integration process involved in deriving this value.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the integral for and attempts to solve it using integration by parts, expressing confusion over the result.
  • Another participant suggests that there is an error in the integration process, indicating that the initial expression should not equal zero.
  • A third participant proposes a substitution method and refers to a table of integrals to simplify the calculation, providing a specific integral result.
  • A later reply acknowledges the utility of using a table of integrals and concludes that the expected value is a/2 for any value of n.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial integration method, as one participant identifies an error while another finds a resolution through a different approach. The discussion reflects multiple viewpoints on the integration process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the integration steps and the assumptions made during the calculations. The reliance on tables of integrals introduces additional dependencies that are not fully explored.

Aikon
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Ok...this must sound stupid, because i didn't found answer on the web and on my books...but i am having trouble with the infinite square well.
I want to calculate <x>.
V(x)=0 for 0<=x<=a
<br /> &lt;x&gt;=\frac{2}{a}\int^{a}_{0} x \sin^2(\frac{n\pi}{a}x)dx<br />
Doing integration by parts i got to:
\frac{2}{a}\left[\frac{a^2}{2n}-\int^a_0\frac{a}{2n}dx\right]=0
What i am doing wrong?
Thank you
 
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I would expect an error in your integration, as the first expression is not zero and the following one is.
 
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Aikon said:
<br /> &lt;x&gt;=\frac{2}{a}\int^{a}_{0} x \sin^2(\frac{n\pi}{a}x)dx<br />


set
<br /> u=\frac{n\pi}{a}x<br />

look up
<br /> \int u \sin^2(u)du <br />
in a Table of Integrals to find
<br /> \frac{u^2}{4}-\frac{u\sin(2u)}{4}-\frac{cos(2u)}{8}<br />
 
tadchem said:
set
<br /> u=\frac{n\pi}{a}x<br />

look up
<br /> \int u \sin^2(u)du <br />
in a Table of Integrals to find
<br /> \frac{u^2}{4}-\frac{u\sin(2u)}{4}-\frac{cos(2u)}{8}<br />
Yeah, i got it...it is easier to use table of integrals.
it gives the expected &lt;x&gt;=\frac{a}{2} for any value of n.
thanks
 

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