Is Russian meteor related to a asteroid known as 2012 DA14?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential relationship between a Russian meteor and the asteroid known as 2012 DA14. Participants explore the trajectories, probabilities, and scientific opinions regarding the connection between the two celestial bodies, with a focus on the implications of their paths and velocities.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the meteor being related to 2012 DA14, citing ESA's position on the matter.
  • Others argue that without detailed mathematical analysis of the meteor's orbital characteristics, conclusions about their relationship are premature.
  • There are claims that the meteor's shallow trajectory is almost impossible, yet some participants insist it is real.
  • One participant mentions that Russian press reports suggest the meteor and asteroid are unconnected due to their opposite trajectories.
  • Concerns are raised about whether Earth's gravitational pull could significantly alter the meteor's trajectory before atmospheric entry.
  • Some participants request reputable sources to support claims regarding the meteor's trajectory and its potential connection to 2012 DA14.
  • References to historical events, such as the shooting down of a U-2 spy plane, are brought up in the context of discussing the meteor's trajectory and the Russian response.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between the Russian meteor and 2012 DA14. Multiple competing views remain, with some arguing for a connection and others firmly stating they are unrelated.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the meteor's trajectory and the influence of gravitational forces, highlighting the need for more data and analysis to clarify the discussion.

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Unless you've done the math to determine the orbital characteristics of the meteor and compared them to 2012 DA14, then I will take NASA's opinion over yours. And even then I probably still would.
The chance that the meteor was related to 2012 DA14 and happened to be pulled into an approach trajectory that is completely opposite of what it was prior to its encounter with the Earth is very remote, if not impossible.
 
Drakkith said:
Unless you've done the math to determine the orbital characteristics of the meteor and compared them to 2012 DA14, then I will take NASA's opinion over yours. And even then I probably still would.
The chance that the meteor was related to 2012 DA14 and happened to be pulled into an approach trajectory that is completely opposite of what it was prior to its encounter with the Earth is very remote, if not impossible.

Probability is thin thing. You see shallow trajectory. To have shallow trajectory is ALMOST impossible! But it DOES real!
 
M@2 said:
Probability is thin thing.

Probability is an very important part of science.

You see shallow trajectory. To have shallow trajectory is ALMOST impossible! But it DOES real!

Please provide a reference stating the meteors trajectory. Then we can discuss it.
 
Drakkith said:
Probability is an very important part of science.

Please provide a reference stating the meteors trajectory. Then we can discuss it.

I read arguments in russian press. They say about OPPOSITE directions of russian meteor and asteroid, so they decide that asteroid and meteor are unconnected.

But what about meteor, being a member of "2012 DA14 asteroid belt" (in some sense), made 1/2 revolt around the Earth chandged the direction of motion?
 
M@2 said:
But what about meteor, being a member of "2012 DA14 asteroid belt" (in some sense), made 1/2 revolt around the Earth chandged the direction of motion?

Very unlikely. That's why they claim they aren't connected. I don't think they Earth's gravitational pull is strong enough to completely change the trajectory of the meteor BEFORE it hits the atmosphere. Not if it was traveling at a similar velocity to 2012 DA14. And if it wasn't traveling the same speed, then it wouldn't be connected.
 
We have many reputable sources stating that the two are unrelated.

Do you have any reputable source arguing that there is a relation between the two?? If not, then this thread is over.
 
micromass said:
We have many reputable sources stating that the two are unrelated.

Do you have any reputable source arguing that there is a relation between the two?? If not, then this thread is over.
My reputable source is my education.
Do You have reputable source publications?

I don't think "reputable" source can publish "reputable" article with "reputable" data about Russian meteor in one day.
Have you russian anti-missile system data already?
In 1961 we shot down american spy plane U-2 about the same place.

There were data that we, russians, tryed to shot down meteor :)
 
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Drakkith said:
... I don't think they Earth's gravitational pull is strong enough to completely change the trajectory of the meteor BEFORE it hits the atmosphere. Not if it was traveling at a similar velocity to 2012 DA14.

Before or not before in outer space bodyes obey Newton's gravitational law. And can be captured by Earths gravitation if their trajectories are close enough to Earth.
 
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M@2 said:
My reputable source is my education.
Do You have reputable source publications?

I don't think "reputable" source can publish "reputable" article with "reputable" data about Russian meteor in one day.
Have you russian anti-missile system data already?
In 1961 we shot down american spy plane U-2 about the same place.

There were data that we, russians, tryed to shot down meteor :)

I thought so. Please be sure to read our rules: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380

Thread locked.
 

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