Solve Physics 12 Problem: Helicopter of 5500 kg Reaches 5500 m in 900s

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a helicopter with a mass of 5500 kg that ascends to a height of 5500 m in 900 seconds, reaching a velocity of 210 m/s. Participants are exploring how to calculate the power required for this scenario.

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  • Participants discuss using the formula for power, P = W/t, and question the initial energy considerations. There is exploration of the potential energy (PE) and kinetic energy (KE) contributions to the total energy change.

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Some participants have provided guidance on calculating potential energy using the formula mgh and kinetic energy using 1/2 mv^2. There is recognition of the need to consider energy losses in the actual power required by the helicopter's engine.

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Participants note that the gravitational potential energy can be assumed to be zero initially and that the gravitational field is relatively constant over the height in question. There is also mention of the realism of the numbers used in the problem.

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I have a quick physics 12 problem

A helicopter of 5500 kg starting from rest reaches a height of 5500 m with a velocity of 210 m/s. If this happens in 900 seconds, what is the Power?

i'm not sure how to do this one, i used P = W/t and solved for work being Ef - Ei. but is there no initial energy? so is it just

P = Ek + Ep (both final)/t
to solve? thanks!
 
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You can assume that initially,the gravitatostatic potential energy is zero and that the gravity field doesn't vary significantly over those 5.5 Km,so you can set the gravitatostatic PE to "mgh".

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
You can assume that initially,the gravitatostatic potential energy is zero and that the gravity field doesn't vary significantly over those 5.5 Km,so you can set the gravitatostatic PE to "mgh".

Daniel.

so can you solve like that for the power? Power = potential + kinetic / time ?
 
seiferseph said:
i'm not sure how to do this one, i used P = W/t and solved for work being Ef - Ei. but is there no initial energy? so is it just

P = Ek + Ep (both final)/t
to solve? thanks!
That's correct. (Assuming you measure the PE from ground level.)
P = \Delta E_t /\Delta t
 
Doc Al said:
That's correct. (Assuming you measure the PE from ground level.)
P = \Delta E_t /\Delta t

so potential is m*g*h with height being 5500, and kinetic is 1/2 m*v^2 with v being 210? thanks.
 
Yep.The numbers are not too realistic,but it's okay so far.

Daniel.
 
seiferseph said:
so potential is m*g*h with height being 5500, and kinetic is 1/2 m*v^2 with v being 210? thanks.
That's right. (Realize that you are calculating the power required to raise the helicopter as stated in the given time; the actual power of the engine must be greater than that, since energy is wasted as thermal energy and air movement.)
 
great, thanks!
 

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