Solving Pendulum Problem (b): Kinetic & Potential Energy

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The discussion revolves around a pendulum problem focusing on the relationship between kinetic and potential energy as it swings. Participants are examining the conditions necessary for the pendulum to complete a circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to equate potential energy at the starting position with kinetic energy at the lowest point, leading to a calculation of distance d. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the speed at the top of the swing and suggest considering the minimum speed required for circular motion.

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Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some guidance offered regarding the need to account for kinetic energy at the highest point of the swing. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the conditions necessary for the pendulum's motion.

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There is a reference to a specific condition for the pendulum to complete a circle, which may not have been fully addressed in the original calculations. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings about energy conservation in the context of circular motion.

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Hi, for this question
http://tinyurl.com/2qgco5
I have problem for question b

My attempts for question (b)
The potential energy of the pendulum when it is released from the horizontal position
=The kinetic energy of pendulum at lowest point
=mgL

In order to make it swing in a complete circle, it needs to reach the height 2(L-d)
hence mgL=mg(2(L-d)); and I get d=L/2

This is wrong, what it wants is d=3/5L, may I know what is my mistake, and what is the correct approach?
 
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jack1234 said:
In order to make it swing in a complete circle, it needs to reach the height 2(L-d)
hence mgL=mg(2(L-d)); and I get d=L/2
This assumes that the sphere can make a complete revolution about the peg with a speed of zero at the top. This is incorrect--figure out the minimum speed needed at the top. Hint: Consider Newton's 2nd law and circular motion.
 
Thanks!
 
See my response in the other thread.
 

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