How Do Astrophysicists Measure Solar Mass Loss?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how astrophysicists measure solar mass loss, particularly focusing on the conversion of hydrogen to helium in the Sun and the implications of solar wind and coronal mass ejections (CMEs). Participants explore both theoretical calculations and potential experimental methods to verify these measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the Sun loses approximately 4 million tons of mass per second due to nuclear fusion, questioning how this figure is experimentally verified.
  • Another participant clarifies the mass loss figure, suggesting it is based on the Sun's luminosity and mentions the role of CMEs in mass loss.
  • A different participant calculates the mass loss in relation to the Sun's total mass, providing a perspective on the significance of this loss over time.
  • One participant inquires about the comparative mass loss from solar wind versus nuclear reactions, seeking data on the relative magnitudes.
  • Another participant asserts that no one has experimentally measured the gravitational attraction changes due to solar mass loss, suggesting that current instruments may not be sensitive enough for such measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of experimentally verifying solar mass loss. While some acknowledge the theoretical understanding of the processes involved, others question the practicality and sensitivity of current instruments to measure such changes.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the exact contributions of solar wind and nuclear reactions to the overall mass loss, as well as the limitations of current measurement techniques.

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From nuclear theory and texts its known that every second 570 millions tons of hydrogen are converted to 566 millton hellium,hence Sun loss 4 mill tons of mass in a second. But ¿how do astrophicisist probe experimentally this number?,have they measured solar gravity field or Earth atraction variation during the years,for example? Are the instruments enough sensitive to detect this

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Is that metric or short tons? There's a difference.

That is probably based on Luminosity of the sun - or power radiated. There are also occasional coronal mass ejections (CME's) in which a large mass is blown off the sun.

Let's assume metric tons - so the sun looses 4 MT/sec or 4 Gkg/s ( 4 billion kg/s)

Putting that into perspective - the sun mass is approximately 2 x 1030 kg, so the sun looses (4 E9)/(2 E 30) or 2 E-21 of it's mass per sec.

In one year, or ~3.156 E 7 seconds, the sun would lose 6.31 E-14 of it's mass, and in 5 billion years, the sun would lose only, 0.0003156 of it mass, excluding CME's.

ref: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/sunfact.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/basics.html
 
4M T/s is about what you get if you use the energy output 3.8E26 J/s and E=mc^2.
The mass loss due to solar wind and gas ejection is much higher than this
 
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Do you have the data about how much is bigger the mass loss by solar wind than for nuclear reactions?
Regarding my first post, i guess that astronomers made theoretical models and then calculated 4 million tons/sec of mass converted in energy, but my question is that this number can be or has been probed experimentally,measureing for example a very small diminishing in gravitational atraction of the Sun on the Earth or a satellite ,for a timelapse of various decades
 
nobody has done this. Instruments will probably never be sensitive enough but there is not much point anyway, its a reasonably well understood process, the reactions are simulated with particle accelerators
 

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