Tensors may be considered a special class

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The discussion centers around the concept of 'holors' as a potential generalization of tensors. Participants explore the relationship between holors and tensors, inquire about the mathematical and physical applications of holors, and share resources related to the topic.

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  • Some participants mention that holors may be considered a generalization of tensors, but the specifics of this relationship are unclear.
  • One participant notes that holors could encompass a wide range of mathematical entities, including spinors and twistors, and can describe properties of physical entities using matrices of integral dimensions.
  • A participant expresses concern about the cost of a book on holors but acknowledges that reviews provide some insight into the concept.
  • Another participant suggests that the notation used for holors is more strict compared to traditional tensor notation, which may appeal to those interested in advanced mathematical frameworks.
  • There is a suggestion that individuals interested in category theory might also find the concept of holors appealing.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition or implications of holors, and multiple viewpoints regarding their relationship to tensors and their applications remain present.

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Some limitations include the lack of detailed definitions of holors, the absence of established transformation rules, and the reliance on a specific book for deeper understanding.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying tensor analysis, general relativity, quantum gravity, quantum field theory, and advanced mathematical concepts such as category theory.

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I once read that tensors may be considered a special class of a more general class of entities called 'holors.' It was just a parenthetical comment; no further information was supplied.

Can anybody fill me in on this topic? In what sense is holor a generalization of tensor? What branches of mathematics or physics make use of holors?
 
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Janitor said:
I once read that tensors may be considered a special class of a more general class of entities called 'holors.' It was just a parenthetical comment; no further information was supplied.

Can anybody fill me in on this topic? In what sense is holor a generalization of tensor? What branches of mathematics or physics make use of holors?
i myself don't know anything about holors but from what i found in google there is a book about this very specific issue you might find it usefull:


one of the authors is Domina Eberle Spencer (i posted about her article on her interpratation of HAFELE-KEATING experiment you can find it here:
http://www.physical-congress.spb.ru/english/spenser1/spencer1.asp the post itself is in theory development forum).
 
Thanks for the links, LQG. The price of that book at Amazon scares me. The review of the book at least gives me an inkling of what holors are about.
 
Janitor said:
Thanks for the links, LQG. The price of that book at Amazon scares me. The review of the book at least gives me an inkling of what holors are about.
for this we have libraries.
 
The Theory of Holors

I have recently purchased The Theory of Holors, which I have been looking to do for quite awhile during my study of Tensor Analysis. A holor is basically a generalization of tensors, spinors (which include quaternions), twistors, et cetera. It generalizes the object to such an extent that a holor can be produced for about anything that can be described by a matrix of integral dimensions (almost every property of any physical entity can be described by a holor). It introduces the holor without the need for a specific transformation rule; in fact, some examples include holors which have no transformations at all.

The book tries to merge vector and tensor analysis by generalizing notation for a tensor. The new notation is extremely strict; however, it has much more upsides than down. At first I felt a bit weary about using the new notation since most books are written in the older, more ambiguous notation (including boldface vectors and tensors), but later I realized it is best to know both of these languages -- one should use the holor notation in applications that require more generalized objects than tensors or in applications that require strict notation.

The book was published in 1986; as far as I know, it is the only work on this topic. The older notation has, obviously, not given way to the newer form; probably because the less mathematically strict physicists and engineers dominate the applied mathematics world. However, I strongly encourage anyone interested in general relativity, quantum gravity, or quantum field theory to read this book and become familiar with its mathematical language. The information from it is definitely worth the price.
 
Hmmm, maybe the same sort of people who like category theory would find the holor idea attractive.
 

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