Does a Voltmeter Measure the Potential Difference Between Two Points?

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of potential difference using a voltmeter, specifically examining the relationship between electric field and voltage as described by the integral of the electric field along a path. Participants explore the implications of this relationship in various scenarios, including the presence of resistors and the direction of current flow.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definition of voltage and its relation to the electric field, questioning whether the voltmeter measures the potential difference as stated. Some explore the implications of current direction and the role of resistors in the measurement process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definitions and relationships involved in measuring voltage. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the direction of the electric field and the implications for potential difference measurements.

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Some participants note that the discussion may be limited to specific configurations, such as two conductors or the presence of resistors, which could affect the assumptions made about voltage measurements.

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Hi all.

Lets say a voltmeter registers (measures) the following quantity:

<br /> V = \int_a^b{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l}<br />

Does this mean that it measures V = V(b)-V(a), i.e. the potential at b subtracted by the potential at a?

Thanks in advance.Niles.
 
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The conventional definition of voltage is:

V(b)-V(a) = -\int_a^b{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l}

Which means your voltmeter would actually measure -(V(b)-V(a))=V(a)-V(b)
 
Hmm, isn't this only for two conductors? I mean, let's say a resistor is placed in between the points 'a' and 'b' on a wire. The voltmeter measures V as given in my original post, and the current runs from point 'b' to 'a'. Then sure V > 0, and thus you definition can't work?

Thanks for replying.
 
If the current runs from 'b' to 'a', then two things must be true:

(1)The potential at 'a' is lower that the potential at 'b', and thus V(b)-V(a)>0

(2)The component of E parallel to the wire must point from 'b' towards 'a', that means \int_b^a{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l}&gt;0, so \int_a^b{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l}&lt;0

Therefore, V(b)-V(a)=-\int_a^b{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l}&gt;0

See for example, Griffith's 'Introduction to Electrodynamics 3rd ed.' eq. 2.22
 
So when I have an integral like:

<br /> V(b)-V(a)=-\int_a^b{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l},<br />

then it means that 'dl' points from lower limit to upper limit? And this is always true?
 
Niles said:
So when I have an integral like:

<br /> V(b)-V(a)=-\int_a^b{\textbf E\cdot d\textbf l},<br />

then it means that 'dl' points from lower limit to upper limit?

Yes, if you go from 'a' to 'b' along some path, then dl points tangent to that path in the general direction of 'a' to 'b'. (remember, the path (or wire) can be curved every which way, so it's inaccurate to say that at every point along the path dl points from 'a' to 'b', but certainly for a straight path (or wire), dl will point from 'a' to 'b')
 
Thanks!
 

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