Ammeters and voltmeters in series

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving an ammeter and a voltmeter connected in series to a cell, with a resistance added in parallel to the voltmeter. Participants are exploring the implications of this configuration on the readings of the ammeter and voltmeter.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how the addition of a resistor affects the readings of the ammeter and voltmeter, questioning the assumptions regarding ideal components and the behavior of the circuit.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the readings of the ammeter and voltmeter, with some participants expressing confusion about the expected outcomes and the assumptions made in the problem statement. Guidance has been offered regarding the importance of circuit diagrams and the nature of ideal versus non-ideal components.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using ideal versus non-ideal components, particularly in relation to the emf of the cell and the behavior of the voltmeter when current flows through the circuit.

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Homework Statement



An ammeter and a voltmeter are joined in series to a cell.Their readings are A and V respectively.If a resistance is now joined in parallel with the voltmeter,
A)both A and V will increase
B)both A and V will decrease
C)A will decrease,V will increase
D)A will increase,V will decrease

Homework Equations


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Basic theory behind ammeters and voltmeters:
▪Ammeter:Used for measuring current.In essence,it is a galvanometer (current detecting device) attached to a very small resistance attached to it in parallel(small so that it doesn't hinder the current it is measuring and gives an accurate reading)

▪Voltmeter:Used for measuring potential difference.In essence,it is a galvanometer with a very high
resistance attached to it in series (High so that it doesn't allow current to flow through it,which would change the amount of current across the element being measured, and correspondingly change the potential difference across it,preventing us from getting an accurate reading)

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An ideal voltmeter has a resistance of infinity,so when it is connected with a cell in series,along with an ammeter,the only path for current to traverse the entire circuit would be through the voltmeter,but the high resistance wouldn't allow it to flow.

So,the initial readings according to me ought to read:
[Assuming emf of cell to be E]
A=0 (no current through the circuit)
V=E (potential across its two ends)

Now,as soon as we connect a resistor through it,it provides the current a path to flow,so now we have a current flowing through the circuit.
So,final readings according to me should be:
[Assuming resistance connected to be R]

A=E/R(which is obviously greater than before)
V=?HERE LIES MY PROBLEM?

Isn't the potential difference across the two ends same as before??
Answers D by the way,so hopefully my method of deducing A was right(If it wasn't,please do inform me)
But,I am stuck on V.
 
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Tanishq Nandan said:
Isn't the potential difference across the two ends same as before?
Yes, as long as you assume the source is an ideal one with no internal resistance. Why do you see this as a problem?

Any time you get stuck on this kind of problem you should draw a circuit diagram and label it will all known conditions (and if you have, as you do here, two different set of conditions, draw it twice).
 
phinds said:
Why do you see this as a problem?
Coz the answer given is D:A increases,whereas V decreases.There isn't any option for V remains same,which is bugging me.
 
So, you need to decide. Am I wrong or is the question using an unstated assumption?
 
Tanishq Nandan said:
Coz the answer given is D:A increases,whereas V decreases.There isn't any option for V remains same,which is bugging me.
What is V? And what is E?
 
cnh1995 said:
What is V? And what is E?
There's no E...A and V are the readings on the ammeter and voltmeter respectively.
 
Tanishq Nandan said:
Assuming emf of cell to be E]
E is the emf of the cell.
Tanishq Nandan said:
There isn't any option for V remains same,which is bugging me.

What will remain unchanged? V or E?
 
cnh1995 said:
E is the emf of the cell.What will remain unchanged? V or E?
According to me,V
 
Tanishq Nandan said:
According to me,V
Why? And why not E?
 
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cnh1995 said:
Why? And why not E?
Okk,yeah,I get your point,the potential difference across the terminals of a battery change as soon as current flows through it.(If the battery isn't ideal,of course)
 
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Tanishq Nandan said:
Okk,yeah,I get your point,the potential difference across the terminals of a battery change as soon as current flows through it.(If the battery isn't ideal,of course)
So either the battery isn't ideal or the meters aren't ideal. (Or both aren't ideal).
Then D sounds correct to me.
 

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