Whos right? - capacitor to capacitor discharge.

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The discussion centers around the efficiency of energy transfer when discharging one capacitor into another, specifically addressing the concept of energy loss during this process. Participants explore the theoretical implications of the two-capacitor problem, including the conservation of charge and energy, and the mathematical representation of energy stored in capacitors.

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  • One participant questions the claim of a 50% efficiency loss when discharging one capacitor into another, suggesting that losses are primarily due to the equivalent series resistance (ESR) of the capacitors.
  • Another participant introduces the two-capacitor problem, noting that the resultant voltage after equalization depends on whether conservation of charge or conservation of energy is applied, indicating a potential conflict between these principles.
  • A later reply acknowledges a possible error in their understanding, referencing an external source for clarification.
  • Additional participants share links to resources that discuss the two-capacitor problem and the concept of 'lost' energy, indicating interest in further exploration of the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the efficiency loss during capacitor discharge, with multiple competing views and interpretations of the underlying principles remaining unresolved.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of capacitors under different conditions, including the effects of voltage differences and the definitions of energy conservation. The mathematical steps and implications of these assumptions are not fully resolved.

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I read on another forum, some person says (read below) when you charge one cap, then discharge into another, there is 50% efficiency loss?

I think this is wrong, as the only losses I can think of, are due to the caps ESR when there is a voltage difference between the caps. Can someone help show his\her Math is wrong..


Also you lose 1/2 the energy in this process.

I can illustrate with a little math

Given capacitors C1 and C2 of the same size (C). One charged to V and one uncharged then the energy stored is

1/2 C * V *V

If you hook these two capacitors in parallel then they will settle (after a current pulse) to a voltage in each of 1/2 V. The energy in each will then be

1/2 C * 1/2 V * 1/2 V

or 1/4 of the original energy in each capacitor for 1/2 of the original energy.
 
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This is the famous Two Capacitor Problem. You have two identical capacitors separated by an open switch. One is charged to V. Then the switch is closed. After the voltage has equalized what is the resultant voltage on both capacitors?

The answer depends on conservation of charge or conservation of energy.

Charge (coulombs), Q = C*V
Energy (joules), E = C*V^2/2

Obviously they can't both apply.
 

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