Peskin and Schroeder p. 20-21

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The discussion centers around the equations presented in Peskin and Schroeder, specifically the transition from equation 2.23 to equation 2.25 regarding the scalar field operator and its representation in terms of momentum space. Participants explore the implications of these equations on the nature of the field and its properties, particularly in relation to the requirement for the field to be real.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the transition from equation 2.23 to 2.25, seeking clarification on why the latter includes exponential terms rather than a simpler form.
  • Another participant suggests that the inclusion of the exponential terms accounts for the ground state of the particle, emphasizing the antisymmetry of the ground state.
  • A different participant explains that the Fourier transform is applied to the basis states rather than directly to the field operator, which affects the representation.
  • One participant proposes that the requirement for the field to be real necessitates the specific form of equation 2.25, indicating that the adjoint of the field must equal the field itself.
  • Another participant agrees with the notion that a real Klein-Gordon field is desired, reinforcing the earlier points made.
  • A later contribution discusses the general solution of the classical Klein-Gordon equation and how the requirement for the field to be real leads to a specific relationship between the functions involved.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared, indicating that the requirement for a real field is a significant takeaway.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the requirement for the field to be real, but there are differing views on the implications and reasoning behind the transition from equation 2.23 to 2.25, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat contested.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the properties of the ground state and the implications of the Fourier transform are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification. The discussion also touches on the mathematical steps involved in deriving the equations, which may not be fully resolved.

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In equation 2.23 we have
\phi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\omega}}(a + a^{\dagger})

So how come equation 2.25 is

\phi(x) = \int{\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\omega_p}}(a_pe^{ipx} + a_p^{\dagger}e^{-ipx})}

And not \phi(x) = \int{\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\omega_p}}(a_p + a_p^{\dagger})e^{ipx}}
 
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because you have to account for the ground state of particle p at x.

"The" ground state is antisymmetric, not symmetric so your version won't allow for the phase (between ground state and evolved state).
 
The Fourier transform of a was substituted into both the a and the a dagger term, and the adjoint of a scalar times an operator is the conjugate of the scalar times the adjoint of the operator.

In other words, the Fourier transform has been applied to the basis states, not to phi(x) directly.
 
nicksauce said:
In equation 2.23 we have
\phi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\omega}}(a + a^{\dagger})

So how come equation 2.25 is

\phi(x) = \int{\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\omega_p}}(a_pe^{ipx} + a_p^{\dagger}e^{-ipx})}

And not

\phi(x) = \int{\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi)^3}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\omega_p}}(a_p + a_p^{\dagger})e^{ipx}}

Isn't it because \phi(x) is supposed to be a real field?
I.e., we want \phi(x)^\dagger = \phi(x) .
 
That is what I have been taught as well, that we "want" a real K.G Field.
 
The general solution of the classical KG equation is

\phi(x)=\int d^3p\left(g(\vec p)e^{i\sqrt{\vec p^2+m^2}-i\vec p\cdot\vec x}+h(\vec p)e^{i\sqrt{\vec p^2+m^2}+i\vec p\cdot\vec x}\right)

=\int d^3p\left(g(\vec p)e^{i\sqrt{\vec p^2+m^2}-i\vec p\cdot\vec x}+h(-\vec p)e^{i\sqrt{\vec p^2+m^2}-i\vec p\cdot\vec x}\right) =\int d^3p\left(g(\vec p)e^{ipx}+h(-\vec p)e^{-ipx}\right)

where p0 is defined as the positive square root. What we get from the requirement that \phi(x) be real is just that h(-\vec p)=g(\vec p)^*.
 
Thanks for the input everyone. The requirement of a real field makes a lot of sense.
 

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