Balancing of reciprocating masses

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The discussion revolves around the inertia force of reciprocating masses in engines, particularly focusing on the derivation of a specific formula and the role of various parameters such as the length-to-radius ratio (n). Participants explore the implications of these factors on piston motion and acceleration characteristics in different types of engines.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for inertia force and questions the derivation of the acceleration part, suggesting it may involve an acceleration diagram.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the type of engine being discussed, indicating the importance of context.
  • It is noted that the formula is a general expression applicable to common reciprocating engines, with derivations for specific engine types mentioned.
  • Several participants agree that the formula can be derived by expressing piston displacement as a function of crank angle and differentiating it twice.
  • Discussion includes a reference to a book that covers balancing in engines, suggesting it may be a useful resource.
  • One participant explains that the length-to-radius ratio (n) affects the acceleration characteristics of the piston, with longer rods leading to motion that approaches sinusoidal behavior.
  • There is a question about whether the same force acts during every stroke of the piston, leading to a clarification that cylinder pressures vary throughout the cycle, affecting the resultant force.
  • Another participant mentions that at high speeds, inertia forces dominate the resultant force, and minor variations in cycles can typically be ignored for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the derivation and implications of the formula, with some agreeing on the method of derivation while others raise questions about specific parameters and their effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of forces acting during different strokes of the piston.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific books and methods for deriving the formula, but no consensus is reached on the best approach or the implications of the length-to-radius ratio on piston motion.

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my book gets this expression for inertia force of the reciprocating masses of the engine

F=(R/g)ω.ω.r(cosθ+(cos2θ)/n) ,but there is no derivation given as to how he gets the acceleration part,is it using the acceleration diagram?and why should n be involved,
n supposed to be the l/r ratio.
 
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What book and what type of engine? An inline, a V, a radial a ...

Thanks
Matt
 
the book is theory of machines by abdulla shariff
well this expression is a general expression for a common reciprocating engine..
later using the same expression..other formulae are being derived for v and radial engines.
 
The formula is derived by writing piston displacement as a function of crank angle & then differentiating it twice.

And you should get a good book.
 
ank_gl said:
The formula is derived by writing piston displacement as a function of crank angle & then differentiating it twice.

And you should get a good book.

+1

This was the way I did it in my thesis.
 
is thomas bevan a good book ?
in another book,an acceleration diagram has been drawn and this formula is
shown..but tell me why consider n(l/r ratio)?
 
because that alters the acceleration characterisitcs of the piston. The longer the rod the closer it gets to sinusoidal motion.

That equation should explain perfectly why you were having trouble asserting that pistions had SHM.
pistonacceleration.jpg

inertiaforce.jpg
Where Z = R/L

I lumped my terms differently, and its negative because I set the convention that inertia forces acts oppoiste gas pressure forces (ie it resists pistion motion). As you can see as 1/Z tends to zero, (ie as the conrod gets longer and approaches infinite) you get closer to SHM. The higher the 1/Z Ratio the flatter the acceleration curve at BDC.
 
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i get it now..does the same force act during every stroke of the piston?
 
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Bah. EDIT for the post above, the labels on the graph are the wrong way round.

When Z tends to zero you get closer to SHM.

Silly mistake on my part.Well it depends what you mean by is every stroke the same? For a certain crankshaft angular velocity (RPM), the acceleration characterisitcs and therefore the force are the same.

The cylinder pressures vary throughout the cycle which alters the resultant force on the piston and rod.
 
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monty37 said:
i get it now..does the same force act during every stroke of the piston?

Do you mean suction, compression... by every stroke? If so, then no, same force doesn't act. the graph posted above is acceleration of the piston when crankshaft is rotating at constant angular velocity. Engine is a different animal, motion of piston causes the rotation of cs. You can get a plot of pressure inside a cylinder during a complete cycle. Try heywood.
 
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Force acting down Cylinder Axis due to Gas Pressure
pistonforce-1.jpg


Resultant Force over all 4 strokes
resultant.jpg

Note that the above was a low to medium speed engine speed. At high speeds the inertia force dominates the resultant force.

Also stictly speaking each cycle undergoes minor variaction, due to slightly alternig GPF. For the typical analysis cases this can be conveniently ignored.
 
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