Archimedes' Dilemma: The Misunderstood Concept of Pi = 4

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Pi, particularly the humorous assertion that Pi equals 4, and the implications of this idea in mathematical reasoning. Participants explore various mathematical concepts, including limits, infinite series, and the nature of numbers, while also engaging in light-hearted banter and references to Archimedes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share humorous images and anecdotes related to the assertion that Pi equals 4, indicating awareness of its incorrectness.
  • There are references to Archimedes and discussions about the implications of naming conventions in mathematics.
  • Some participants express confusion about the mathematical reasoning behind the claim that Pi could equal 4, questioning the factorial aspect and the trolling nature of the statement.
  • One participant suggests that by using appropriate geometrical shapes, one could theoretically prove the circumference to be any real number greater than or equal to Pi.
  • Discussions about the nature of repeating decimals, particularly 0.999..., and its equivalence to 1 are raised, with varying opinions on the validity of this concept.
  • Participants express differing views on the mathematical operations involving infinite series and limits, with some arguing that certain operations never complete.
  • There are humorous exchanges about the precision of calculators and rounding errors, particularly in relation to the expression e^π - π.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the validity of the claim that Pi equals 4, nor on the nature of repeating decimals like 0.999... being equal to 1. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion includes both serious mathematical inquiry and light-hearted commentary.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical claims are presented without full exploration of their assumptions or implications, and there are unresolved questions regarding the nature of infinite series and the definitions of certain mathematical terms.

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http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1290616506315.jpg

Just thought I'd share this. Don't know if anyone has seen it, but I found it rather amusing.

Disclaimer: I know why it doesn't work and am not trying to push this as some "new" maths.
 
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jarednjames said:
http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1290616506315.jpg

Just thought I'd share this. Don't know if anyone has seen it, but I found it rather amusing.

Disclaimer: I know why it doesn't work and am not trying to push this as some "new" maths.

Oh dear god. Don't get me started again...

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=450364

And could someone please tell me whether I was wrong or right?!

I'm very insecure.

------------------------------------
NOT!

I just can't remember what that was called. Something accelerating towards infinity, infinitely faster than infinity. (hic!)

Sorry...

:)

 
Ah, nevermind then.

Pity, didn't think it would be in the maths section, given what it is.
 
I always respond to it with "Archimedes here. Yes, I do have a problem with it, *explanation about circumscribing and inscribing* you should view my work."
 
1/3 = .3333333333...

(3) 1/3 = (3) .3333333333...

3/3 = .9999999999...

1 = .9999999999...



I have earned a place in the Math Hall of Fame! Btw, I, too, would have a problem if my name was Archimedes; what kind of parent names his kid Archimedes!?
 
Mathnomalous said:
Btw, I, too, would have a problem if my name was Archimedes; what kind of parent names his kid Archimedes!?

I know, poor bugger named after a pump.
 
Mathnomalous said:
1/3 = .3333333333...

(3) 1/3 = (3) .3333333333...

3/3 = .9999999999...

1 = .9999999999...

The same thing can be done by greatest integer function too...




WHAT!
THIS ISN'T THE MATH SECTION??
 
jarednjames said:
I know, poor bugger named after a pump.

At least they did not name him Pi.
 
I suspect that by using appropriate geometrical shapes and a similar limiting argument, you could prove the circumference to be any real number greater than or equal to pi and even prove that the circumference is infinite.
 
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jarednjames said:
http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1290616506315.jpg
This reminds me of the following logic:

"So,
If she weighs the same as a duck,
then she's made of wood,
and therefore,
A WITCH!"

(Also reminds me of most political logic)
 
  • #11
Mathnomalous said:
At least they did not name him Pi.

Hey, now! That's the number that I put on my baseball jersey.
 
  • #12
What I don't understand is how does it prove Pi = 4!. I didn't get the factorial part.
 
  • #13
I always round Pi down to 3.
 
  • #14
jobyts said:
What I don't understand is how does it prove Pi = 4!. I didn't get the factorial part.

it's part of the trolling

it's saying that pi = 4, not pi = 4!
 
  • #15
Danger said:
Hey, now! That's the number that I put on my baseball jersey.

That is one loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong baseball jersey...
 
  • #16
Mathnomalous said:
That is one loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong baseball jersey...

What can I say? I used to be fat.
 
  • #17
Danger said:
What can I say? I used to be fat.

Infinitesimally fat?
 
  • #18
Mathnomalous said:
Infinitesimally fat?

His blubber was a fractal. :X
 
  • #19
I'll have you know, you young whippersnappers, that I ballooned up to 132 lbs. when I was playing ball. That extra 5 lbs. above my off-season weight was pure muscle.
 
  • #20
G037H3 said:
it's part of the trolling

it's saying that pi = 4, not pi = 4!

man I hope you just got trolled...
 
  • #21
Archimedes will be really be pissed off when he see his name appear with that face in the last picture.
 
  • #22
Stan Marsh said:
Archimedes will be really be pissed off when he see his name appear with that face in the last picture.

archimedes1.jpg


I see a resemblance.
 
  • #23
It's the spitting image of him.
 
  • #24
Mathnomalous said:
At least they did not name him Pi.

Have you read 'The life of Pi' ? Brilliant book!
 
  • #25
Mathnomalous said:
1/3 = .3333333333...

(3) 1/3 = (3) .3333333333...

3/3 = .9999999999...

1 = .9999999999...



I have earned a place in the Math Hall of Fame! Btw, I, too, would have a problem if my name was Archimedes; what kind of parent names his kid Archimedes!?

Sorry I don't get it? What is the problem? Why are you surprised at this result? Am I missing some sarcasm?
 
  • #26
Integral said:
Sorry I don't get it? What is the problem? Why are you surprised at this result? Am I missing some sarcasm?

I'm in the dark too...:confused:
 
  • #27
Is there such a number as 0.99999...98?

Where the "9" portion repeats forever but the last digit is an "8"??
 
  • #28
FlexGunship said:
Where the "9" portion repeats forever but the last digit is an "8"??

Doesn't that contradict itself?
 
  • #29
jarednjames said:
Doesn't that contradict itself?
images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQx7khn063sdxeMG4k_iL8K2uwznpyTvn4mSqcUxkw7XA-hbIK.jpg

...no...
 
  • #30
FlexGunship said:
Where the "9" portion repeats forever but the last digit is an "8"??

Surely there are many such numbers!

Take for example 0.8 = 0.79999...

...
 

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