Archimedes' Dilemma: The Misunderstood Concept of Pi = 4

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of Pi, particularly the humorous assertion that Pi equals 4, and the implications of this idea in mathematical reasoning. Participants explore various mathematical concepts, including limits, infinite series, and the nature of numbers, while also engaging in light-hearted banter and references to Archimedes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share humorous images and anecdotes related to the assertion that Pi equals 4, indicating awareness of its incorrectness.
  • There are references to Archimedes and discussions about the implications of naming conventions in mathematics.
  • Some participants express confusion about the mathematical reasoning behind the claim that Pi could equal 4, questioning the factorial aspect and the trolling nature of the statement.
  • One participant suggests that by using appropriate geometrical shapes, one could theoretically prove the circumference to be any real number greater than or equal to Pi.
  • Discussions about the nature of repeating decimals, particularly 0.999..., and its equivalence to 1 are raised, with varying opinions on the validity of this concept.
  • Participants express differing views on the mathematical operations involving infinite series and limits, with some arguing that certain operations never complete.
  • There are humorous exchanges about the precision of calculators and rounding errors, particularly in relation to the expression e^π - π.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the validity of the claim that Pi equals 4, nor on the nature of repeating decimals like 0.999... being equal to 1. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion includes both serious mathematical inquiry and light-hearted commentary.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical claims are presented without full exploration of their assumptions or implications, and there are unresolved questions regarding the nature of infinite series and the definitions of certain mathematical terms.

  • #61
jreelawg said:
Pi does = 4. Don't you understand relativity? Curvature affects the metric and makes distances seam shorter. Sure a circle appears to be 3.14... because the circle is experiencing curvature. In the frame of reference of the square, pi is 4.

I hope this is a joke lol.
 
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  • #62
It's sort of interesting. The perimeter of a digital circle is 8r, and the surface area is approximately 6pir^2.
 
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  • #63
Mathnomalous said:
Btw, I, too, would have a problem if my name was Archimedes; what kind of parent names his kid Archimedes!?

Continuing the necro spirit :biggrin:

Archimedes in ancient Greek translates into "the one who gives leading advice" :wink:
 

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