Can an interval with all positive functions of x be proven?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that a continuous function \( f(x) \) is positive in an open interval around a point \( c \) where \( f(c) > 0 \). Participants explore definitions of continuity, particularly the epsilon-delta definition, and the implications of the sign-preserving property of functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to prove that \( f(x) > 0 \) in an interval around \( c \) given that \( f(c) > 0 \).
  • Another participant suggests applying the definition of continuity to the point \( c \) to address the proof.
  • There is a mention of the limit definition of continuity, but uncertainty remains about how it leads to \( f(a) \) and \( f(b) \) being positive.
  • Participants discuss using the epsilon-delta definition of continuity and the need for a rigorous proof.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of intervals approaching \( c \) and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant indicates that if the sign-preserving property can be used, the proof becomes trivial and does not require the epsilon-delta definition.
  • There is a reference to a previous similar question on the forum, suggesting that this topic has been discussed before.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the necessity of the epsilon-delta definition versus the sign-preserving property for the proof. There is no consensus on the preferred approach to the proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for a more rigorous proof while others suggest simpler methods. The discussion reflects differing levels of understanding regarding the definitions and their applications.

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Can an interval with all positive functions of x be proven??

f(x) has to always be greater that 0. How do you prove this??

f is continuous as c and f(c)>0. prove that there is an open interval (a.b) centered at c such that f(x)>0 for all x that are elements of (a,b)
 
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This comes straight from the definition of continuity. Apply the definition of continuity to your point c. What does it say?
 


lim f(x) = f(c)
x -> c ?

but i don't get how it proves that f(a) and f(b) are positive...
 


There's another definition of continuity. Use the epsilon-delta definition and choose an appropriate value for epsilon.
 


wait...so since f(c) is positive, and (a,b) are approaching c, it means that f(a) and f(b) are approaching a positive number f(c)? and that they are positive?
 


mathkillsalot said:
wait...so since f(c) is positive, and (a,b) are approaching c, it means that f(a) and f(b) are approaching a positive number f(c)? and that they are positive?

I'm not sure what you mean by (a,b) approaching c, but it sounds like you do have the right idea. Since f is continuous at c, we can choose values that are close enough to c (a and b) such that f(a) and f(b) are both positive and f is positive on (a,b). Unfortunately, your proof needs to be a little more rigorous than this. From here, you need to use the epsilon-delta definition of continuity to actually prove it.
 


okaaay...thankyou :))
and I forgot something, we're supposed to apply the sign preserving property on this. Do i still need the epsilon-delta definition of continuity?
can't I just assign positive values for x?? or is that wrong?
 


If you can use the sign-preserving property, it's trivial. The answer follows straight from the definition and you don't need the e/d definition.
 


okay, thank you so much :)))))))
 
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Essentially the same question (about proving the "sign preserving property") was asked and answered here-
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=460196

By the way, "mathkillsalot" you might want to change that user-name. The very people who would help you the most are likely to take exception to it.
 
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thankyou :))
and I just requested (chroot?) to change my username... hahaha
 

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