Voltage Drop in Electric Circuits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of voltage drop in electric circuits, particularly focusing on the behavior of electrons, their velocity, and the role of resistors. Participants explore theoretical aspects, analogies, and interpretations of how voltage behaves in circuits, including the implications of electron movement and the nature of electric fields.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the idea that voltage only drops across resistors, suggesting that this implies electrons move at a constant velocity, which raises questions about how they get started moving in the circuit.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a perfect conductor, stating that even a tiny electric field can set charges in motion, resulting in negligible voltage drop.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that it is the electrostatic field, rather than the movement of electrons, that constitutes electricity, and that electrons drift in response to this field.
  • One participant discusses the drift velocity of electrons, noting that while they do experience a slight acceleration when an emf is applied, their overall movement is slow compared to the speed of the electric field propagation.
  • Another participant describes the balance of forces in a circuit, indicating that while electrostatic forces act on electrons, a constant friction force compensates for this, leading to a steady state of current and velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electron movement and voltage drop in circuits. There is no consensus on whether electrons accelerate or move at a constant velocity, and the role of the electric field versus electron drift is debated.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of terms like "drift velocity" and "voltage drop," which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also touches on the implications of ideal versus real conductors, which may introduce additional assumptions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, electrical engineering, and anyone exploring the fundamentals of electric circuits and the behavior of electrons within them.

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My textbook tells me that the voltage in an electric circuit only drops across a resistor. I don't quite understand this; doesn't this suggest that the electrons in the current are moving at a constant velocity? I would think that, since they are moving under the influence of an electrostatic force, they are being accelerated (and then slowing down when they encounter resistors). In that case, the potential energy would be being converted to kinetic energy, and the potential of points in the circuit would drop steadily as we moved along the circuit.

This raises the wider question of the velocity of electrons in a circuit. If they are moving at constant velocity, how do they get started moving? Is there a brief moment when the circuit is completed during which everything gets accelerated? Thanks for your help.
 
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If you have a perfect conductor, then the tiniest of electric fields will set charges moving. Since the electric field is tiny, the voltage drop is tiny. So there is practically no voltage drop across a perfect conductor.
 
I guess this is why all the real physicists look so shocked and dismayed when I use the water analogy to explain electricity...

They ain't no acceleration of electrons. In fact moving electrons are not really what makes electricity. It's the electrostatic field, which moves at the speed of light. Electrons drift around in the field tending in the direction of negative current flow. Here's a quickie description I found googling "speed of electrons in a wire":
http://www.Newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99092.htm

As to voltage drop. One needs to have a circuit to measure voltage. Lacking any other element, the voltmeter itself closes the circuit -- actually it measures current flow across a very high resistance and extrapolates that to be voltage. Aside from super-conductors, everything -- wire included -- has a finite resistance, which limits current flow and thus "creates" a voltage difference.
 
My textbook tells me that the voltage in an electric circuit only drops across a resistor. I don't quite understand this; doesn't this suggest that the electrons in the current are moving at a constant velocity?

Electrons DO move at a constant DRFIT velocity...a slow speed when a constant voltage is applied. There IS a tiny "acceleration" as electrons are stripped from their orbitals by a newly applied emf (voltage) and begin to DRIFT slowly.

see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity

but when an electron moves at one end of a circuit another begins to move at the other end almost the speed of light...so its SEEMS fast...like one car at the back of a train begins to move almost instantaneously as one at the front of the train begins to move...but the overall velcoity of the train is SLOW by comparison.

In a resistor the electrons are more tightly bound to their nucleus than in a conductor...so in a resistor it takes more voltage to break them free and keep them moving...So if a constant voltage is applied,say, to a piece of wood and a copper rod, very different currents will flow.
 
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In fact in the stationary state, when there has been for a long time a time-independent voltage drop across a resistance, the current is also time-independent, and the electrons move at constant velocity.

Of course, there acts the electrostatic force on the moving electrons, but there's also a constant friction force which just compensates this electrostatic force. That's the microscopic picture of resistance!
 

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