Trignometric and hyperbolic equalities: Why the golden ratio?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around trigonometric and hyperbolic equalities, particularly focusing on the involvement of the golden ratio in these equations. Participants explore various identities and their solutions, questioning the geometric significance of the golden ratio in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series of trigonometric equalities and notes the appearance of the golden ratio, questioning its geometric significance.
  • Another participant expresses fascination with the golden ratio and acknowledges the need for further thought on its implications.
  • Hyperbolic equalities are introduced, with a participant noting the recurring presence of the golden ratio in these equations as well.
  • Some participants discuss specific solutions to hyperbolic equations, with one suggesting a potential error in a proposed solution and another offering an alternative representation using logarithms.
  • There is a discussion about the notation for inverse hyperbolic functions, with clarifications on the correct LaTeX formatting and terminology.
  • Participants engage in a debate about the existence of real versus complex solutions for certain trigonometric equations, with references to external resources for verification.
  • One participant argues that while there are no real solutions to a specific equation, complex solutions may exist, prompting further examination of the conditions under which these solutions are valid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of solutions to certain equations, particularly regarding real and complex solutions. The discussion remains unresolved on some points, particularly concerning the geometric interpretation of the golden ratio and the validity of specific mathematical claims.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the conditions under which certain solutions exist. The discussion includes both real and complex considerations, which may affect the interpretation of the equations presented.

dimension10
Messages
371
Reaction score
0
1.

\sin \theta = \cos \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{4}

2.

\sin \theta = \tan \theta

\theta = 0

3.

\cos \theta = \tan \theta

\theta =\arcsin (\varphi -1)

4.

\sin \theta = \csc \theta

\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}

5.

\sin \theta =\sec \theta

\theta does not exist.

6.

\sin \theta =\cot \theta

\theta = \arccos (\varphi -1)

7.

\cos \theta =\csc \theta

\theta does not exist.

8.

\cos \theta =\sec \theta

\theta=0

9.

\cos \theta = \cot \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}

10.

\tan \theta =\csc \theta

\theta =\arccos(\varphi-1)

11.

\tan \theta = \sec \theta\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}

12.

\tan \theta = \cot \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{4}13.

\csc \theta =\sec \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{4}

14.

\csc \theta =\cot \theta

\theta = \arccos (\varphi -1)

15.

\sec \theta =\cot \theta

\theta=\arcsin (\varphi - 1)

I used quadratic equation for some equalities. Which showed that the golden ration was involved. But my question is "geometrically, why?"
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Hi!
Interesting question. I have always been fascinated by the golden ratio which keeps appearing at places where you least expect :smile: Will have to think about this one.
 
Oops. There was a LaTeX error.

1.

\sin \theta = \cos \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{4}

2.

\sin \theta = \tan \theta

\theta = 0

3.

\cos \theta = \tan \theta

\theta =\arcsin (\varphi -1)

4.

\sin \theta = \csc \theta

\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}

5.

\sin \theta =\sec \theta

\theta does not exist.

6.

\sin \theta =\cot \theta

\theta = \arccos (\varphi -1)

7.

\cos \theta =\csc \theta

\theta does not exist.

8.

\cos \theta =\sec \theta

\theta=0

9.

\cos \theta = \cot \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}

10.

\tan \theta =\csc \theta

\theta =\arccos(\varphi-1)

11.

\tan \theta = \sec \theta


\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}

12.

\tan \theta = \cot \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{4}


13.

\csc \theta =\sec \theta

\theta=\frac{\pi}{4}

14.

\csc \theta =\cot \theta

\theta = \arccos (\varphi -1)

15.

\sec \theta =\cot \theta

\theta=\arcsin (\varphi - 1)

I used quadratic equation for some equalities. Which showed that the golden ration was involved. But my question is "geometrically, why?"
 
IIRC, \cos\frac{\pi}{5} = \frac{\phi}{2}. That's related to the pentagon. Hmm...
 
Here are the hyperbolic equalities.

1.

\sinh x = \cosh x

x= \infty

2.

\sinh x =\tanh x

x=0

3.

\cosh x =\tanh x

{x}_{1}=\frac{- \arcsin (\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}+\frac{i}{2})}{i}


{x}_{2}=\frac{- \arcsin (\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}-\frac{i}{2})}{i}

4.

\sinh x = csch x

x=arcsinh 1

5.

\sinh x = sech x

x=\frac{\ln (2 \varphi +1)}{2}

6.

\sinh x =\coth x

x=\frac{\arccos(1-\varphi)}{i}

7.

\cosh x =csch x

x=arcsinh \sqrt{\varphi-1}

8.

\cosh x =sech x

x=0

9.

\cosh x =\coth x

x=arcsinh (\varphi - 1)

10.

\tanh x = csch x

x=arccosh (\varphi - 1)

11.

\tanh x =sech x

x=arcsinh 1

12.

\tanh x = \coth x

x=\infty

13.

csch x =sech x

x=arctanh 1

14.

csch x =\coth x

x=0

15.

sech x = \coth x

x=arcsinh (\varphi -1 )

Still a lot of golden ratios.
 
pwsnafu said:
IIRC, \cos\frac{\pi}{5} = \frac{\phi}{2}. That's related to the pentagon. Hmm...

Ok, so that's why its related...
 
dimension10 said:
Here are the hyperbolic equalities.


6.

\sinh x =\coth x

x=\frac{\arccos(1-\varphi)}{i}

This one doesn't look right. I'm pretty sure there should be a real solution there.
 
After just doing some calculations I'm pretty sure that the solution to 6. should be

x = \pm \, \cosh^{-1} \phi

BTW. Inverse hyperbolics can usually be alternatively represented using logs.
 
Last edited:
uart said:
After just doing some calculations I'm pretty sure that the solution to 6. should be

x = \pm \, \cosh^{-1} \phi

BTW. Inverse hyperbolics can usually be alternatively represented using logs.

You mean arccosh right?
 
  • #10
uart said:
After just doing some calculations I'm pretty sure that the solution to 6. should be

x = \pm \, \cosh^{-1} \phi

BTW. Inverse hyperbolics can usually be alternatively represented using logs.

That works too. But my solution also works. I converted sinh x to - i sin i x and it works.
 
  • #11
And by the way, what is the LaTeX code for arcsinh, arccosh, sech, cosech?
 
  • #12
dimension10 said:
And by the way, what is the LaTeX code for arcsinh, arccosh, sech, cosech?

Two things:

1) The inverse hyperbolic functions are not "arc(whatever)". They are actually "ar(whatever)". i.e., arsinh(x), arcosh(x), artanh(x), etc.

2) I don't believe there is latex commands for most of these. You typically have to use \mbox{arsinh}(x), etc.

Tests:

\arsinh(x), \arcosh(x), \artanh(x), \sech(x), \csch(x)

Check to make sure latex doesn't use the misnamed versions:

\arcsinh(x), \arccosh(x)
 
  • #13
Mute said:
Two things:

1) The inverse hyperbolic functions are not "arc(whatever)". They are actually "ar(whatever)". i.e., arsinh(x), arcosh(x), artanh(x), etc.

Ok, thanks.

Mute said:
2) I don't believe there is latex commands for most of these. You typically have to use \mbox{arsinh}(x), etc.

Tests:

\arsinh(x), \arcosh(x), \artanh(x), \sech(x), \csch(x)

Check to make sure latex doesn't use the misnamed versions:

\arcsinh(x), \arccosh(x)

Oh. So it can be written as \mbox{arsinh}(x)?
 
  • #14
dimension10 said:
Oh. So it can be written as \mbox{arsinh}(x)?

Yep. If you're writing in an actual latex document, you can always define new commands so that you don't always have to use mbox.

For example, writing

\newcommand{\arsinh}{\mbox{arsinh}}

in the top before the document begins would let you use \arsinh as a command.
 
  • #15
dimension10 said:
You mean arccosh right?
Yes the "f^{-1}" notation is still very commonly used for both trig and hyp-trig functions. See for example : http://mathworld.wolfram.com/InverseHyperbolicFunctions.html
dimension10 said:
That works too. But my solution also works. I converted sinh x to - i sin i x and it works.

Yes I know that it works but I was considering being consistent with your original post in which you were clearly only considering real solutions.

For example :
5.

\sin \theta =\sec \theta

\theta does not exist.

There are no real solutions to that equation, but there definitely are complex solutions. Basically I was pointing out that the expression in question doesn't evaluate to a real number, whereas previously you seemed to be only considering reals.
 
  • #16
uart said:
Yes the "f^{-1}" notation is still very commonly used for both trig and hyp-trig functions. See for example : http://mathworld.wolfram.com/InverseHyperbolicFunctions.html

I was just clarifying to make sure it was an inverse hyperbolic function and not something like sin^2...




uart said:
There are no real solutions to that equation, but there definitely are complex solutions. Basically I was pointing out that the expression in question doesn't evaluate to a real number, whereas previously you seemed to be only considering reals.

Are you sure there are complex solutions?

\sin \theta =\sec \theta

\sin \theta =\frac{1}{\cos \theta}

\sin \theta \cos \theta =1

As the maximum of both \sin \theta and \cos \theta is 1, both \sin \theta and \cos \theta should be 1. Then as \cos \theta=1, \frac{\theta}{\pi} is a whole number, thus \sin \theta=0. But we have earlier said that \sin\theta=1 and 1 \neq 0 so there is no value of theta.
 
  • #17
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #18
Last edited by a moderator:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
8K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
24
Views
3K