H+ Calculation for 0.220 M Aniline Solution with Kb = 7.4e-10

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The discussion revolves around calculating the concentration of hydrogen ions ([H+]) in a 0.220 M solution of aniline, a weak base, using its base dissociation constant (Kb = 7.4e-10). Participants explore different approaches to derive the concentration and the relationship between Kb and Ka.

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  • One participant asks for the calculation of [H+] in the aniline solution.
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship between Ka and Kb to find Ka from Kb.
  • A participant proposes a dissociative approach, indicating that only a small fraction (x) of aniline ionizes, and suggests that the equilibrium constant can be expressed as 10^-14/Kb.
  • It is noted that for simplification, the term x can often be omitted if it is less than 5% of the initial concentration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that aniline is a base and describes the reaction with water, producing anilinium ions and hydroxide ions.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding the use of strong bases in non-aqueous phases, which may also affect the reaction dynamics.

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Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the calculation of [H+], with no consensus reached on the best method or the implications of the different approaches discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the extent of ionization and the conditions under which simplifications are valid are not fully explored, leaving open questions about the accuracy of the proposed methods.

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Calculate [H+]?

Calculate [ H + ] of a 0.220 M solution of Aniline C6H5NH2 Kb = 7.4e-10
 
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Consider that for a reaction
[tex]HA_{(aq)}\rightleftharpoons~H^{+}_{(aq)}~+~A^{-}_{(aq)}[/tex]
we can use
[tex]K_{a}=\frac{[H^{+}_{(aq)}][A^{-}_{(aq)}]}{[HA_{(aq)}]}[/tex]
How can you find [itex]K_{a}[/itex] when given [itex]K_{b}[/itex]?
 
Sirus is right; an alternative point of view may be using dissociative approach. In this, you start with 0.220 M of aniline, but only [itex]\displaystyle x[/itex] of it is ionized to give some [itex]\displaystyle H^+[/itex]. We know the equilibrium constant of this reaction, i.e., [tex]\displaystyle \frac {10^{-14}}{K_b}[/tex].

[tex]\displaystyle \underbrace{C_6H_5NH_2_{(aq)}}_{0.220-x} \leftrightharpoons \underbrace{C_6H_5NH^-_{(aq)}}_{x}+\underbrace{H^+_{(aq)}}_{x}[/tex]

Now it is better for you to consider the magnitude of [tex]\displaystyle \frac {10^{-14}}{K_b}[/tex]; for the sake of simplification, you may omit the [itex]\displaystyle x[/itex] in [itex]\displaystyle 0.220-x[/itex], as we may omit values generally less than 5%. Of course, you may also want to solve the quadratic equation to find the exact answer, but believe me this is not very necessary.

What you'll do next is to find the [itex]\displaystyle -\log x[/itex].
 
chem_tr said:
Sirus is right; an alternative point of view may be using dissociative approach. In this, you start with 0.220 M of aniline, but only [itex]\displaystyle x[/itex] of it is ionized to give some [itex]\displaystyle H^+[/itex]. We know the equilibrium constant of this reaction, i.e., [tex]\displaystyle \frac {10^{-14}}{K_b}[/tex].

[tex]\displaystyle \underbrace{C_6H_5NH_2_{(aq)}}_{0.220-x} \leftrightharpoons \underbrace{C_6H_5NH^-_{(aq)}}_{x}+\underbrace{H^+_{(aq)}}_{x}[/tex]

Aniline is a base, not an acid. Hydrogen will stick to the lone pair on the nitrogen so the reaction is like this:

[tex]C_6H_5NH_2 + H_2O \rightarrow C_6H_5NH_3^+ + OH^-[/tex]
 
In that case, for a reaction
[tex]B_{(aq)}~+~H_{2}O_{(l)}\rightleftharpoons~BH^{+}_{(aq)}~+~OH^{-}_{(aq)}[/tex]
we can use
[tex]K_{b}=\frac{[BH^{+}_{(aq)}][OH^{-}_{(aq)}]}{[B_{(aq)}]}[/tex]
 
Dear ShawnD, you are right about aqueous reactions, but don't forget that there are very powerful bases for using in non-aqueous phases like sodium hydride, lithium diisopropylamide, etc, which can take a proton to give anilinide anion.

In most cases, your reaction is sufficient, and same things may be said for Sirus' last post.
 

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