Mass of Dirac Electron increased by Electromagnetic field?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of an electromagnetic field on the mass of a Dirac electron, particularly in the context of the Higgs vacuum field. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the Dirac equation under specific conditions and question whether the presence of an electrostatic potential modifies the effective mass of the electron.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a modified Dirac equation incorporating both the Higgs field and an electromagnetic potential, questioning if the resulting state describes an electron with an effective mass of \( gv + e \phi \).
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of the left-hand side of the equation as mass, suggesting it represents energy instead.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of analyzing the system in a rest frame while ignoring spatial derivatives, as this may violate translation invariance due to the presence of the electric field.
  • A participant references Leonard Susskind's lecture to support their reasoning about the Higgs field's role in mass generation, while noting that the electromagnetic potential introduces variability that differs from the constant Higgs vacuum expectation value.
  • Discussion includes a hypothetical scenario involving an electron inside a charged hollow insulator, suggesting that while the electron may experience a constant potential, crossing the boundary where the electric field is non-zero could complicate the measurement of its mass.
  • Another participant mentions that adding a constant potential results in an overall phase shift, which does not affect the electron's equation of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of mass and energy in the context of the Dirac equation, as well as the appropriateness of the assumptions made regarding the rest frame and the effects of the electromagnetic field. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions made about the rest frame and the treatment of position-dependent potentials. The discussion remains open regarding the observable effects of the proposed scenarios.

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The Dirac electron in the Higgs vacuum field v and an electromagnetic field with vector potential A_\mu is described by the following equation:

i \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu \psi = g v \psi + e \gamma_\mu A^\mu \psi

where g is the coupling constant to the Higgs field and e is the coupling constant to the electromagnetic field.

Let us assume that we are in the rest frame of the electron so that:

\partial_x=\partial_y=\partial_z=0

Let us also assume that there is only an electrostatic potential A_0=\phi so that:

A_x = A_y = A_z = 0

So the simplified Dirac equation is now:

i \gamma^0 \partial_t \psi = g v \psi + e \gamma_0 \phi \psi

Let us choose the Weyl or Chiral basis so that:

\gamma^0 = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & I \\ I & 0 \end{pmatrix}

where I is the 2\times2 unit matrix.

In this representation:

\psi=\begin{pmatrix} \psi_L \\ \psi_R \end{pmatrix}

where \psi_L and \psi_R are left-handed and right-handed two-component Weyl spinors.

Subtituting into the simplified Dirac equation above we get:

i \begin{pmatrix} 0 & I \\ I & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \partial \psi_L / \partial t \\ \partial \psi_R / \partial t \end{pmatrix} = g v \begin{pmatrix} \psi_L \\ \psi_R \end{pmatrix} + e \phi \begin{pmatrix} 0 & I \\ I & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \psi_L \\ \psi_R \end{pmatrix}

This equation separates into two equations of two-component Weyl spinors:

i \partial \psi_R / \partial t = g v \psi_L + e \phi \psi_R

i \partial \psi_L / \partial t = g v \psi_R + e \phi \psi_L

Now let us add these two equations together to obtain:

i \frac{\partial}{\partial t} (\psi_L + \psi_R) = (g v + e \phi)(\psi_L + \psi_R)

My question is this:

Does the state \psi_L + \psi_R describe an electron with an effective mass given by gv + e \phi?

Does the presence of an electrostatic field increase the electron's mass over and above the mass induced by the Higgs vacuum field alone?
 
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Why do you think the left hand side is a mass? Isn't it an energy?
 
You're trying to go the rest frame in a position-dependent potential (ignoring space derivatives). That doesn't sound strictly kosher. Translation invariance is broken by the presence of the E field, you cannot just ignore the derivatives... Or, in other words, your "rest frame" is not an inertial frame (there's a force!).
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Why do you think the left hand side is a mass? Isn't it an energy?

Well I'm generalizing from Leonard Susskind's video lecture 6: New Revolutions in Physics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUySvFEwmj8&feature=relmfu

He uses this reasoning without an electromagnetic potential to explain how interaction with the Higgs field gives the electron mass. I have just incorporated an electromagnetic field into his argument.
 
johne1618 said:
Well I'm generalizing from Leonard Susskind's video lecture 6: New Revolutions in Physics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUySvFEwmj8&feature=relmfu

He uses this reasoning without an electromagnetic potential to explain how interaction with the Higgs field gives the electron mass. I have just incorporated an electromagnetic field into his argument.

but the point is that the Higgs vev introduces a CONSTANT, while the potential is not a constant! It makes all the difference.
 
blechman said:
You're trying to go the rest frame in a position-dependent potential (ignoring space derivatives). That doesn't sound strictly kosher. Translation invariance is broken by the presence of the E field, you cannot just ignore the derivatives... Or, in other words, your "rest frame" is not an inertial frame (there's a force!).

But what happens if the electron is placed inside a charged hollow insulator at potential \phi?

The electron will be at a constant potential but with zero field so it won't feel any force.
 
johne1618 said:
But what happens if the electron is placed inside a charged hollow insulator at potential \phi?

The electron will be at a constant potential but with zero field so it won't feel any force.

In that case it might be possible to think of the electron inside the cavity as having an additional mass when compared to the electron outside the cavity, but you must be careful. In particular, when you "measure" the mass of the electron inside the cavity you have to cross the walls where the field is not zero, and that might cause trouble. So I'm not sure what kind of observable effect it might have, if any.

I haven't thought much about this kind of problem. Perhaps it should be placed in the "Quantum Mechanics" section for people to think about it there...
 
Prof Susskind has kindly answered my question in the following attachment. Adding a constant potential is equivalent to an overall phase shift and so does not effect the electron's equation of motion.
 

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