Have You Seen a Space Shuttle Lift-Off?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the visual characteristics of a space shuttle lift-off, specifically focusing on a bluish-whitish cone observed in the exhaust jets. Participants explore the nature of the combustion process and the appearance of the exhaust during the launch, with an emphasis on understanding the color differences in the flames.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the bluish-whitish cone as a result of hydrogen and oxygen burning, occurring shortly after main engine startup.
  • Another participant questions the color difference between the bluish-whitish cone and the rest of the jets, seeking further clarification.
  • A participant notes that the solid rocket boosters do not burn hydrogen and oxygen, implying a distinction in the combustion processes involved.
  • Further inquiry is made regarding the visibility of solid rocket booster thrust jets in the referenced frame, indicating a need for precise identification of the components involved in the lift-off.
  • A participant provides a link to a Wikipedia page about Mach disks, possibly suggesting a connection to the observed phenomenon.
  • Another participant expresses admiration for the Blackbird engine, indicating an interest in related aerospace technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be disagreement regarding the explanation of the bluish-whitish cone and its relation to the combustion process, as well as the identification of the solid rocket boosters in the context of the lift-off. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the nature of the bluish-whitish cone or its significance, and there are unresolved questions about the visibility and role of different propulsion components during the lift-off.

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I've found this amazing footage of a space shuttle lift-off and I've got a question:
What is this bluish-whitish cone in the middle of the jets and why is it there?
(And holy cow, it's loud... even on video).
 

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That's hydrogen and oxygen burning. The image is from a fraction of a second after main engine startup.
 
If that's really the answer you chose to go for, I will restate:
Why is it a different color than the rest of the jets?
 
The solid rocket boosters don't burn hydrogen and oxygen.
 
Another question then:
Where in the above frame do you see solid rocket booster thrust jets?

Ah... ok, let's jump ahead and skip the continuation of this little exchange of ours.

Since you seem to have misunderstood let me describe it in excruciating detail:
In the above frame, at exactly the moment it depicts, directly below each of the liquid fuel engine nozzles, in the middle of the orange hydrogen flame jets, there are those bluish-whitish cone-shaped regions.
That is what I am asking about. (let's hope now...)
 
Thank you.
That blackbird engine looks amazing. :)
 

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