How To Find The Drag and Lift Force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of drag and lift forces as illustrated in a provided image. Participants explore the relationship between these forces and the motion of a block in a fluid context, raising questions about the scenario depicted and the calculations presented.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate drag and lift forces based on an illustration and provides a calculation.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of drag and lift forces to a sliding block, suggesting confusion about the scenario.
  • Some participants clarify that the block is moving through air, not sliding on a surface.
  • A participant proposes that the block has a rectangular cross-section and speculates about the direction of motion and the nature of the forces involved.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the number of blocks in the illustration, with some insisting there is only one block while others suggest there may be two.
  • Participants express frustration over perceived lack of clarity and information in the original post, leading to misunderstandings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the number of blocks in the illustration or the specifics of the scenario. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the problem and the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original post lacks sufficient information to clarify the scenario, which contributes to the confusion and disagreement about the forces involved.

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I don't understand how is drag and lift related to a sliding block?
 
jedishrfu said:
I don't understand how is drag and lift related to a sliding block?

It's not a sliding block.

It's moving on the air.
 
mymachine said:
How can I find the drag and lift force such as below illustration?

http://s4.postimage.org/sxmnflttp/dragillustration.png

Below is my calculation:

http://s4.postimage.org/ao75d6r0d/dragcalculation.png

mymachine said:
It's not a sliding block.

It's moving on the air.

Which block? There are two in the illustration. And which way is it moving? Where does this problem come from?
 
Perhaps the illustration is showing that the block has a rectangular cross-section? Then, perhaps the block is moving to the right, in which case the 2000 N is the drag force?

I have never ever seen an FBD like this for fluid/aero dynamics...
 
berkeman said:
Which block? There are two in the illustration. And which way is it moving? Where does this problem come from?

Two?

Wrong.

As you can see from the first image, the "A" is the area of the surface which its depth is 10 m.

The motion is from right to left.

The snout is at the front and the flat is at the back.
 
mymachine said:
Two?

Wrong.

As you can see from the first image, the "A" is the area of the surface which its depth is 10 m.

The motion is from right to left.

The snout is at the front and the flat is at the back.

Be nice, we're trying to help and you didn't provide enough information to begin with.
 
jedishrfu said:
Be nice, we're trying to help and you didn't provide enough information to begin with.

Am I that really not so nice?

I just telling that was wrong.

No other purpose.
 
mymachine said:
Am I that really not so nice?

I just telling that was wrong.

No other purpose.

Okay, but its considered harsh to say it that way.

Instead most people would say: No, there's only one box.
 

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