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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of nuclear spin in atoms, exploring whether atomic nuclei can be said to "spin" and the implications of this idea in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants examine the definitions and characteristics of spin as it applies to sub-atomic particles, particularly in relation to isotopes and their angular momentum.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the nucleus carries a net angular momentum, while others clarify that not all nuclei exhibit spin.
  • There is a distinction made between everyday concepts of spin and the quantum mechanical definition of spin, which may lead to misunderstandings.
  • It is proposed that only isotopes with an odd number of nucleons have non-zero spin, although this is contested by another participant who suggests that even-numbered isotopes can also possess non-zero spin.
  • Questions are raised about the relevance of the Stern-Gerlach apparatus in understanding nuclear spin, indicating a need for clarification on the original question posed.
  • Participants express that the interpretation of "spin" may vary and that understanding the questioner's perspective is crucial for a proper discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of nuclear spin, with multiple competing views on the conditions under which nuclei exhibit spin and the implications of these characteristics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining spin in quantum mechanics and the potential for misunderstanding when applying classical analogies to sub-atomic phenomena. There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific conditions under which different isotopes exhibit spin.

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does nucleus in an atom spin?
 
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Depends what you mean by "spin" - the nucleus carries a net angular momentum.
 
Some nuclei carry a spin. Some don't
 
Sub-atomic particles are described using the same words we use for everyday things. The meaning of the words we use are NOT the same. Spin, as applied to electrons, photon, or even atoms (and their nuclei) does NOT mean the same thing as a gyroscope spinning, or the Earth spinning, or an ice skater. It isn't correct to picture the nucleus of an atom as a little clump of balls (neutrons and protons) stuck together. The natural tendency is to think of these things as very small versions of things we are familiar with (balls, rocks, sand particles,...) but it will, sooner or later, lead you astray. A sub-atomic entity has two characteristics: orbital angular momentum and spin angular momentum which sum to the total angular momentum (actually, these aren't "characteristics", they are operators). For an atomic nucleus, the spin may be zero or non-zero, but is quantized. This spin can (hypothetically) be used, together with the orbital angular momentum to calculate the spin (as you understand the term) of macroscopic objects (ice skaters, gyroscopes, and planets), but it isn't the same thing. Best answer to your question: some do, some don't- only isotopes with an odd number of nucleons have non-zero spin. (But isotopes with an odd number of BOTH neutrons and protons are in a spin superposition, and we've fallen down the rabbit hole into Quantum Mechanics, sorry!).
 
abitslow said:
Best answer to your question: some do, some don't- only isotopes with an odd number of nucleons have non-zero spin.
Not quite. Isotopes with even number of nucleons may also have non-zero spin, but only isotopes with even number of nucleons may have zero spin.
(But isotopes with an odd number of BOTH neutrons and protons are in a spin superposition, and we've fallen down the rabbit hole into Quantum Mechanics, sorry!).
Are you sure about that? What happens when you send those isotopes through a Stern-Gerlach aparatus?
 
It's an interesting diversion - oft followed.
But how does it help with the question that was posed in post #1? vis:
does nucleus in an atom spin?
To answer this question properly, we need to know how OP is thinking about it - there are several possibilities.
eg. it is not normally useful to think of an atomic nucleus as spinning in the same sense as one may spin a basketball.

@M.Kalai vanan: the ball is in your court now.
Any of this useful to you?
 

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