Eigenfunctions and eigenvalues

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation related to eigenfunctions and eigenvalues, specifically the equation \(\frac {d^2} {d \phi^2} f(\phi) = q f(\phi)\). Participants are exploring methods to find the function \(f(\phi)\) and the implications of periodic boundary conditions on the eigenvalues.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various methods for solving the differential equation, including guessing a solution and substituting into the equation. There is also a mention of an alternative approach involving replacing derivatives with variables. Additionally, a related question about the periodic condition \(f(\phi + 2\pi) = f(\phi)\) raises inquiries about the implications for eigenvalues.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the solution process and explore the relationship between the periodic condition and the eigenvalues. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the periodicity condition, while others have expressed understanding of the connections involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available and the methods they can use. The periodic boundary condition is a significant aspect of the problem that influences the determination of eigenvalues.

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This is probably a straight forward question, but can someone show me how to solve this problem:

<br /> \frac {d^2} {d \phi^2} f(\phi) = q f(\phi)<br />

I need to solve for f, and the solution indicates the answer is:
<br /> f_{\substack{+\\-}} (\phi) = A e^{\substack{+\\-} \sqrt{q} \phi}<br />

I know I've covered this before - just need a refresher on how to solve.
 
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One way to solve this problem is to "guess" a solution. Since the form of your equation is very basic, this guess is usually taught as a standard method.

As your solution suggests, your guess should be the following:
f(\phi)=e^{r\phi}
Simply replace every function f with that equation above and solve for the unknown, r. Then, once you find r, plug it back into the equation above. Note that the "A" in your answer is an arbitrary constant used to solve with initial conditions.
 
thanks - knew it was something simple. I actually remembered the other approach too, where you replace f'' with r^2, f' with r, and f with 1, and then solve for what r is. But either approach gives the same result.

Thanks again though.
 
An additional question, somewhat related:

When determining the eigenvalues, the problem indicates that
<br /> f (\phi + 2\pi) = f (\phi)<br />

Given the answer already shown, why would this periodic function require:
<br /> 2 \pi \sqrt{q} = 2 n \pi i<br />
 
Take your given condition and substitute in the solution that has been found. Write the exponent of a sum as a product of exponents and the desired result follows automatically.

Do it. If you have trouble, show us what you tried and what part is bothering you.
 
Nevermind, I got it now - didn't realize the relation between 1 and e^(i2n(pi))...

<br /> A e^{\sqrt{q} \phi} = A e^{\sqrt{q} \left( \phi + 2 \pi \right)}<br />
<br /> e^{\sqrt{q} \phi} = e^{\sqrt{q} \phi} e^{\sqrt{q} 2 \pi}<br />
<br /> 1 = e^{\sqrt{q} 2 \pi}<br />
<br /> e^{i 2 n \pi} = e^{\sqrt{q} 2 \pi}<br />
<br /> i 2 n \pi = \sqrt{q} 2 \pi<br />
<br /> i n = \sqrt{q}<br />
<br /> q = -n^2 (n=0,1,2...)<br />
 
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