Noncommotative structural numbers

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The discussion revolves around the concept of noncommutative structural numbers as presented in a linked paper. Participants are examining the definitions and clarity of terms used in the paper, as well as the mathematical implications of these concepts.

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  • One participant shares a link to a paper on noncommutative structural numbers and requests feedback on its content.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the lack of formal definitions in the paper, questioning the meaning of terms like "single-simultaneous-connection" and "double-simultaneous-connection."
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the notation and definitions used, particularly regarding the use of "XOR" and the concept of "continuum."
  • There is a correction regarding the term "noncommutative," which was initially misspelled by the original poster.
  • A participant suggests that the original poster may benefit from further study in mathematical analysis to clarify their understanding of definitions and concepts.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the definitions and clarity of the concepts presented in the paper. There is evident disagreement regarding the interpretation of terms and the overall coherence of the arguments made.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the clarity of definitions and the potential misunderstanding of standard mathematical notation. There are unresolved questions about the implications of the proposed concepts.

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Noncommutative structural numbers

Hi,


In the attached address (at the end of the web page) there is a short paper (a pdf file) on noncommutative structural numbers:

http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/CATpage.html


I'll be glad to get your remarks.


Thank you (and special thanks to Hurkyl that gave the formal definition, which is written in the first 7 sentences of the paper).





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I don't see any formal definition- certainly not in the first 7 sentences. I don't actually see any definition at all. I see a lot of general vagueness and use of undefined symbols.

You say "A single-simultaneous-connection is any single real number included in p, q
( = D = Discreteness = a localized element = {.} )."

What do you mean by "included in p,q"? In particular, what do you mean by "p, q"? I would tend to assume you mean "any of [p,q], [p,q), (p,q], (p,q) which you had given above. I take it then that "A single-simultaneous connection" is a singleton set?

"Double-simultaneous-connection is a connection between any two different real numbers
included in p, q , where any connection has exactly 1 D as a common element with some
other connection ( = C = Continuum = a non-localized element = {.___.} )."

Okay, so a "double-simultaneous-connection" is a pair of numbers?
"where any connection has exactly 1 D as a common element with some other connection" is not clear. You appear to be saying that two "connections" (I take you mean "double-simultaneous-connection") that have both elements the same are not considered to be different. That's actually part of the definition of set.

I have absolutely no idea what " = C = Continuum = a non-localized element = {.___.} )" could possibly mean.

"Therefore, x is . XOR .___."
This makes no sense. The only use of "x" before this was as a bound variable in the (standard) definition of [a,b], [a,b), etc.
In any case, you have been told repeatedly that your use of "XOR" has no relation to the standard use. Please don't use a standard notation for a non-standard use.

You seem to be still agonizing over the difference between the discrete integers and the continuous real numbers. I can only suggest again that you take a good course in basic mathematical analysis. (And it might be a good idea to learn what a "definition" really is.)

By the way, what does "non-commotative" mean? Did you mean "non-commutative"? I didn't see any reference to that in you post.
 
Hi HallsofIvy,


I wrote:
In the attached address (at the end of the web page) there is a short paper on noncommotative structural numbers:

http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/CATpage.html

First, thank you for the correction. it is noncommutative.

Please after you open the web page, go to the end of it (as I wrote above) and then open the pdf file, which is under the title:

Noncommutative structural numbers

I'll be glad to get your remarks.


By the way, please reply to my answer to you, that exists at the end of this thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6896&perpage=15&pagenumber=2Organic

Thank you.
 
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By the way, please reply to my answer to you, that exists at the end of this thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showth...number=2Organic

You have not learned anything from the replies that many people have made to your posts. I see no reason to repeat them.
 
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