-10.1.1 write polar to rectangular

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The discussion revolves around converting polar coordinates to rectangular coordinates, specifically focusing on the equation \( r=5\sin{2\theta} \). Participants explore the implications of this transformation and the resulting graphical representations in both polar and Cartesian systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes starting with the equation \( r=5\sin(2\theta) \) and multiplying both sides by \( r \) to derive \( r^2=5r[\sin{2\theta}] \).
  • Another participant points out that multiplying both sides by \( r \) leads to an effective multiplication by \( r^2 \) on the right-hand side, suggesting a different approach that involves \( r^3=10r\sin(\theta)r\sin(\theta) \).
  • There is a claim that the equations \( r=5\sin(2\theta) \) and \( (x^2+y^2)^3=(10xy)^2 \) represent the same graph, while another participant asserts that \( r=5\sin(2x) \) is distinct and plotted in Cartesian coordinates.
  • Participants note the difference in graphical representation, with one describing the polar plot as a "polar flower" and the Cartesian plot as a sine wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the polar and Cartesian forms, with some asserting they are the same while others highlight significant differences in their graphical representations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the equivalence of the equations.

Contextual Notes

There are potential limitations in the assumptions made about the transformations and the conditions under which the graphs are equivalent, particularly regarding the quadrants represented and the nature of the functions involved.

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$\textrm{write polar to rectangular coordinates}$
$$r=5\sin{2\theta}$$
$\textit{Multiply both sides by $r$}$
$$r^2=5r[\sin{2\theta}]
=5\cdot2[r\cos(\theta)r\cos(\theta)]$$
$\textit{then substitute $r^2$ with $x^2+y^2$ and
$[r\cos(\theta)r\cos(\theta)$ with $xy$}\\$
$\textit{then}\\$
$$x^2+y^2=10xy$$
hopefully
 
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karush said:
$\textrm{write polar to rectangular coordinates}$
$$r=5\sin{2\theta}$$
$\textit{Multiply both sides by $r$}$
$$r^2=5r[\sin{2\theta}]
=5\cdot2[r\cos(\theta)r\cos(\theta)]$$

You multiplied the LHS by $r$, but in applying an $r$ to both trig functions on the RHS, you effectively multiply that side by $r^2$.

I would begin with:

$$r=5\sin(2\theta)=10\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)$$

So, now if we multiply both sides by $r^2$, we get:

$$r^3=10r\sin(\theta)r\sin(\theta)$$

$$\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}=10xy$$

Now, we must observe that in this form, the LHS is always positive, and so we will miss the petals in the 2nd and 4th quadrants (where the RHS is negative), so to get those, we need to square both sides:

$$\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3}=(10xy)^2$$
 
I thought
$\displaystyle r=5sin(2x)$
and
$\displaystyle (x^2+y^2)^3=(10xy)^2$
would be the same graph?

one is a sine wave the other is a clover:cool:
 
karush said:
I thought
$\displaystyle r=5sin(2x)$
and
$\displaystyle (x^2+y^2)^3=(10xy)^2$
would be the same graph?

The polar plot:

$$r=5\sin(2\theta)$$

And the Cartesian plot:

$$\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{3}=(10xy)^2$$

Are equivalent.

However, the equation:

$$r=5\sin(2x)$$

is assumed to be plotted on a Cartesian coordinate system.

karush said:
one is a sine wave the other is a clover:cool:

Yes one is a sinusoid, while the other is referred to as a polar flower, I believe. :D
 

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