101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that IE cannot.

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The discussion revolves around the capabilities of the Mozilla browser compared to Internet Explorer (IE) and other browsers like Opera. Participants explore various features, performance aspects, and personal experiences with these browsers, highlighting both strengths and weaknesses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the claim that Mozilla has 101 unique features compared to IE, with one suggesting that some items may be exaggerated.
  • Several users share personal experiences, noting that Opera is perceived as more stable and has a lower memory footprint compared to Firefox and Mozilla.
  • There are mentions of specific features that Firefox can perform, such as displaying "browser not supported" messages for pages requiring ActiveX support.
  • Some participants argue that Firefox's extensions significantly enhance its functionality, despite its stability issues compared to Opera.
  • Others highlight the recent developments in IE7, suggesting it is moving towards features similar to those found in Firefox, such as tabbed browsing.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the original list comparing Mozilla and IE, with some claiming that many features listed are also present in IE.
  • Participants note that while they appreciate Firefox, they also encounter issues with plugin compatibility and stability.
  • There is a mention of Safari, with a participant inquiring about its memory usage compared to Opera.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions, with some favoring Opera for its stability and performance, while others advocate for Firefox due to its extensibility. There is no consensus on the superiority of one browser over the others, and disagreements about the accuracy of feature comparisons persist.

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Participants reference various versions of browsers and their features, indicating that their experiences may depend on specific versions and configurations. There are also mentions of personal preferences that influence browser choice, such as stability versus functionality.

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This discussion may be of interest to users evaluating different web browsers, particularly those comparing Mozilla, Internet Explorer, and Opera, as well as those curious about browser extensions and performance metrics.

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This is a good little read.

http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html
 
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Just 101?
 
It still can't make me a pizza.
 
I hate IE passionately, but I use Opera, not Mozilla.
 
I think item #101 is stretching it a bit. :smile:
 
Mozilla is pretty neat.
 
From my experience, Opera is much, much more stable than Firefox/Mozilla, and the memory footprint is much lower, as well. I've run Opera, Firefox, and Mozilla on a number of platforms/architectures, and Opera always comes out ahead as far as stability is concerned. I've used Mozilla since version 0.7, Firefox since version 0.9, and Opera since version 8.5 (when Opera became completely free). From what I've seen, Mozilla and Firefox haven't gotten anymore stable, yet, I'm able to run Opera sessions for over a month without a crash -- Mozilla and Firefox are lucky to hold up for over a week. I also have the Flash and Java plugins installed on Mozilla, Firefox, and Opera.
 
If your using Firefox 1.5 try this demo out:

http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/

The only thing being used is javascript.

[edit] It also runs on the latest Safari and latest Opera. And as usually IE is nowhere on the map.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
One thing Mozilla can't do is get 90% market share. muahaha :biggrin:

Yeah, too bad IE no longer has that percentage. It is around 85% due to firefox.
 
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graphic7 said:
From my experience, Opera is much, much more stable than Firefox/Mozilla, and the memory footprint is much lower, as well. I've run Opera, Firefox, and Mozilla on a number of platforms/architectures, and Opera always comes out ahead as far as stability is concerned. I've used Mozilla since version 0.7, Firefox since version 0.9, and Opera since version 8.5 (when Opera became completely free). From what I've seen, Mozilla and Firefox haven't gotten anymore stable, yet, I'm able to run Opera sessions for over a month without a crash -- Mozilla and Firefox are lucky to hold up for over a week. I also have the Flash and Java plugins installed on Mozilla, Firefox, and Opera.


Generally I agree. Opera beats Firefox, and is the best browser I have used. However, Opera lacks firefox extensions. Firefox extensions add so much functionality. Mouse gestures, sidebar, foXpose, foxytunes, etc. Firefox w/ extensions, while still less stable than Opera is so much more functional that it still wins out IMO.
 
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http://1337tech.org/cms/Articles/Reviews/Firefox-1.5---Is-It-That-Good-2.html

They have some interesting comparisons between 1.0.7 and 1.5. Memory usage and speed. No stability data though.
 
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anyone used IE 7 beta? Seems like it is going down the FF route with Tabbed browsing etc
 
  • #14
Anttech said:
anyone used IE 7 beta? Seems like it is going down the FF route with Tabbed browsing etc

Here are some screenshots of the latest IE7. It looks butt ugly:

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_24.jpg
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_26.jpg
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_28.jpg
 
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dduardo said:
Here are some screenshots of the latest IE7. It looks butt ugly:
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_24.jpg
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_26.jpg
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_28.jpg

It looks like it's inheriting a windows theme. Kinda hard to tell really what it looks like.
 
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Here's another thing FireFox can do that IE can't:
. Display "browser not supported" in webpages that require ActiveX support. ( http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan )

:smile:
 
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franznietzsche said:
Generally I agree. Opera beats Firefox, and is the best browser I have used. However, Opera lacks firefox extensions. Firefox extensions add so much functionality. Mouse gestures, sidebar, foXpose, foxytunes, etc. Firefox w/ extensions, while still less stable than Opera is so much more functional that it still wins out IMO.

I really haven't gotten into the whole Firefox extension thing, so that's probably why I find Opera to be adequate for my browsing needs. I place stability and performance above what little functionality I need in a web browser (fetch a page and display it properly).
 
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dduardo said:
Here are some screenshots of the latest IE7. It looks butt ugly:
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_24.jpg
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_26.jpg
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/vista_ctp2_28.jpg


I sure hope they release skins for that thing.
 
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WOW what an incredibly WRONG list. Half the stuff in there IE does just fine.
 
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franznietzsche said:
Generally I agree. Opera beats Firefox, and is the best browser I have used. However, Opera lacks firefox extensions. Firefox extensions add so much functionality. Mouse gestures, sidebar, foXpose, foxytunes, etc. Firefox w/ extensions, while still less stable than Opera is so much more functional that it still wins out IMO.
I use Opera most of the time. It has mouse gestures and a sidebar.
 
  • #21
And you know what? I still use IE!
 
  • #22
Milo Hobgoblin said:
WOW what an incredibly WRONG list. Half the stuff in there IE does just fine.

Would you like to elaborate on that? I looked through the list and honestly I couldn't find 50.5 things that IE could do in there. Perhaps in its new incarnation it will fair better. But don't kid yourself, most of it was stolen from Mozilla. IE 6 came out in 2001 it was more or less the same as ie5 which was out in 1999. IE was actually an acquired technology called Spyglass Mosaic from 1995, which it improved on a little, and what's more totally integrated it into the fabric of the OS, so it is hard to see where the OS stops and the www browser starts. Thus making the whole product far more insecure than it should be (Just look at Active-x).

IE7 has reversed that trend, M$ finally realized that integrating the www browser and the OS was a bad idea. Only took them 11 years.

IE7 is leaps and bounds better than anything M$ has produced so far, they are in the right direction now. But it took long enough, and considering the age of this post, one must conclude that the OP was talking about ie6. Which you seem to think is adequate, but M$ doesnt, thus the upgrade, and TOTAL revamp.
 
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personally i have both ie7 and opera. Opera is so much better. I recently downloaded it due to all of the problems that I have been having with ie7. IE7 is the worst browser out of the competive market.
 
  • #24
The Dawn Of A New Era Of Web-Browsing: http://ie7.com/

Haha. The new Firefox now has real-time spell checking!
 
  • #25
the new IE looks nice. looks like they are finally doing tabbed browsing as well... but firefox rules... and i will never switch back 2 IE as long as the Fox is around!
 
  • #26
sicjeff said:
personally i have both ie7 and opera. Opera is so much better. I recently downloaded it due to all of the problems that I have been having with ie7. IE7 is the worst browser out of the competive market.

We Window users are stuck with IE thanks to windows update.

I have all three, IE, Firefox and Opera. I like Opera the best. But very rarely Opera does not render a page correctly causing me to use Firefox.
 
  • #27
i have firefox what ever the latest version is i can't remember (im not on my comp at the moment) and any thing that requires a downloaded plugin will not work or will not download correctly. so that makes IE valuble at times... and yes firefox is VERY unstable! but i love it
 
  • #28
Anyone use Apples Safari web browser? A friend of mine uses it religiously and his liking to it got my interest.

Is the memory usage on par with Opera?
 
  • #29
Once you discover extensions on firefox you'll never be able to quit.
 
  • #30
BernardG said:
I have all three, IE, Firefox and Opera. I like Opera the best. But very rarely Opera does not render a page correctly causing me to use Firefox.
I, every rare once in a while, run into a page that has issues with Firefox. The beauty is that I DL'd the extension "IE Tab" and all is well. I simply press a button and firefox runs an IE page within it. It may not be the most efficient in terms of programming, but I think it's a slick idea to fix little annoyances.

Firefox was way ahead of IE and now they are just starting to catch up. I simply do not trust IE because of all of the security issues it has had over the years.
 

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