1d potential V (-x)=-V (x) eigenfunctions.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of eigenfunctions for a one-dimensional potential that satisfies the condition V(-x) = -V(x). Participants are exploring the implications of this condition on the symmetry of the eigenfunctions of the Schrödinger equation, particularly in the context of odd and even potentials.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between the symmetry of potentials and the resulting eigenfunctions, with some discussing the implications of even versus odd potentials. Questions are raised about the existence of degeneracy in bound states and the feasibility of finding symmetric and antisymmetric functions for specific potential forms.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some participants express skepticism about the problem's validity, while others suggest exploring specific potential examples. There is no explicit consensus on the conclusions drawn, and various interpretations are being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of the Hamiltonian's invariance under parity transformations and the characteristics of odd and even potentials. There is mention of specific potential forms and their properties, which may influence the discussion further.

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Homework Statement


Show that for a 1d potential V (-x)=-V (x), the eigen functions of the Schrödinger equation are either symmetric/ anti-symmetric functions of x.

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I really don't know how to do it for odd potential.
Let me show you how I am doing it for even potential.
V (x)=V (-x)
- (h2 / 2μ) [d2ψ(x)/dx2] + V (x) ψ(x)=E ψ (x)... (1)
Making x to -x transformation we get
- (h2 / 2μ) [d2ψ(-x)/dx2] + V (x) ψ(-x)=E ψ (-x)..(2)
where i use V (-x)=V (x)
Comparing (1) and (2) we see that ψ (x) and ψ(-x) eigenfunctions belongs to the same
energy E.
For a non degenerate state, ψ (-x ) must be a multiple of ψ (x):
Ψ (-x) = λψ (x).
Clearly ψ (x)= λψ (-x)=λ2ψ (x).
λ2=1 or λ=+/- 1
So ψ(-x)=+/- ψ(x)
Now if i use odd potential in (2) eigenfunctions no longer belong to same energy E.
The hamiltonian becomes weird for negative potential.
Please help.
 
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Hello Sudip,
I like your solution to the opposite problem (even potential), but I don't see how you have proven that there is no degeneracy.
My book (Merzbacher, quantum mechanics, about 50 years old :-) ) only says that if ##\psi(x)## is a solution, then ##{1\over 2} [\psi(x)+\psi(-x)]## and ##{1\over 2} [\psi(x)-\psi(-x)]## are also solutions.

If I imagine an odd-parity potential, e.g. a well from -a to 0 and a barrier from 0 to +a, I find it hard to believe the either/or statement can be proven. An even simpler V is a step from -V0 to + V0 at x = 0.

I think any reasonable odd-parity V has to go to 0 when away from x=0, so there eigenfunctions are close to plane waves.

Sorry I can't help you any better. Hope someone else can; if no: let us know if you find a sensible solution from teacher or by yourself.
 
I agree that the problem is flawed.
 
How did I prove non degeneracy??
Well , 1d bound states are non degenerate aren't they?
I would like to quote somethings from a book by Dr.S.N.Ghosal(student of Emilio Segre) here :
"The above classification of wavefunctions [λ=+/-1 so ψ(-x)=+/- ψ(x)] according to parity is possible only if Hamiltonian H^ remains invariant under parity operation i.e., if the interaction potential V (x) remain unchanged by parity operation, V (-x)=V(x)"
Doesn't this statement raises question on the feasibility of the problem?
I want to know in a simple yes or no is it possible to find symmetric as well antisymmetric functions for a potential well
V(x)=-V0 for -a <x <0
V (x)=0 elsewhere.
Can't seem to find the above problem anywhere.A purely odd potential.
 
No, it's not possible. Your V(x) isn't odd either.
 
Sorry.
Will you say :
V (x)= -V (a) for -a <x <0
V (x)=0 elsewhere
is odd??
 
No. An odd function satisfies V(-x) = -V(x) for all x. For your potential, V(a/2) = 0 while V(-a/2) = -V(a) ≠ 0 (I assume).

BvU gave you an example of a simple odd potential: V(x) = V0 for x>0 and -V0 for x<0. Try solving the Schrödinger equation with this potential. You'll find the solutions aren't odd or even.
 
BvU said:
I think any reasonable odd-parity V has to go to 0 when away from x=0, so there eigenfunctions are close to plane waves
I have to correct myself: after all the step function is a counter-example. V can't go to ##\infty##, but it doesn't have to go to 0 to be (mathematically - and thereby also physically) acceptable.

I bring in another interesting potential function: a periodic square well . When x=0 is chosen such that V is even, eigenfunctions are even, but a shift of 1/4 period makes the potential odd, but not the eigenfunctions.
 

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