-2.2.12 dr/dθ = r^2/θ, r(1) = 2 IVP, graph, interval

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem (IVP) given by the differential equation $$\frac{dr}{d\theta} = \frac{r^2}{\theta}$$ with the initial condition $$r(1) = 2$$. Participants explore integration techniques, the application of the power rule, and the derivation of the solution, including the interval for the variable $\theta$.

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  • Some participants propose starting the integration by rewriting the equation as $$\frac{1}{r^2}dr = \frac{1}{\theta}d\theta$$.
  • There is a suggestion to integrate from $$2$$ to $$r$$ on the left and from $$1$$ to $$\theta$$ on the right, leading to the equation $$\int_2^r u^{-2}\,du = \int_1^{\theta} v^{-1}\,dv$$.
  • One participant notes the need for a negative sign on the left side after applying the power rule during integration.
  • Another participant derives the expression $$\frac{1}{r} = -\ln(\theta) + \frac{1}{2}$$ and attempts to manipulate it to find $$r$$ in terms of $$\theta$$.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions for $$\theta$$, leading to the conclusion that $$0 < \theta < \sqrt{e}$$ based on the logarithmic properties and the initial value condition.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the interval for $$\theta$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps taken to solve the IVP and the resulting expression for $$r$$, but there is no consensus on the final answer or the method of arriving at the interval for $$\theta$$, as some participants express uncertainty about the integration process.

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Some participants mention difficulties with the integration steps and the application of the power rule, indicating potential gaps in understanding or execution of the mathematical process.

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Students and individuals interested in differential equations, particularly those working on initial value problems and integration techniques in mathematical contexts.

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$$\d{r}{\theta}=\frac{r^2}{\theta},\quad r(1)=2$$
from i would deduct that $dr=r^2$ and $d\theta = \theta then$
$$\d{r}{\theta}=\frac{\theta}{r^2}
\text{ or }
\frac{1}{r^2}dr=\frac{1}{\theta}d\theta$$
intregrate
 
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karush said:
$$\d{r}{\theta}=\frac{r^2}{\theta},\quad r(1)=2$$
from i would deduct that $dr=r^2$ and $d\theta = \theta!$ then
$$\d{r}{\theta}=\frac{\theta}{r^2}$$
but to intregrate ??

I would begin with:

$$\int_2^r u^{-2}\,du=\int_1^{\theta} v^{-1}\,dv$$

What's the next step?
 
MarkFL said:
I would begin with:<br>
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$$\int_2^r u^{-2}\,du=\int_1^{\theta} v^{-1}\,dv$$<br>
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What's the next step?
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$$\frac{1}{u}\biggr|_2^r=\ln u\biggr|_1^\theta$$<br>
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sorta maybe
 
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karush said:
$$\frac{1}{u}\biggr|_2^r=\ln u\biggr|_1^\theta$$

sorta maybe

You want a negative sign on the left resulting from the application of the power rule. :)
 
ok appreciate
ill be in Hamilton library tmro
to do more
just have a tablet at home which is very hard to use
 
MarkFL said:
You want a negative sign on the left resulting from the application of the power rule. :)

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\frac{1}{u}\biggr|_2^r&= -\ln u\biggr|_1^\theta\\
\frac{1}{r}-\frac{1}{2}&=-\biggr[\ln{\theta}-\ln 1\biggr]=\ln \theta\\
\frac{1}{r}&=-\ln \theta+\frac{1}{2}
\end{align*}
well so far??
the textbook answer is
$(a)\quad \displaystyle r = \frac{2}{1 − 2\, \ln θ} \\(c)\quad 0 < θ <
\sqrt{e}$

i continued but couldn't get this answer
 
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karush said:
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\frac{1}{u}\biggr|_2^r&= -\ln u\biggr|_1^\theta\\
\frac{1}{r}-\frac{1}{2}&=-\biggr[\ln{\theta}-\ln 1\biggr]=\ln \theta\\
\frac{1}{r}&=-\ln \theta+\frac{1}{2}
\end{align*}
well so far??
the textbook answer is
$(a)\quad \displaystyle r = \frac{2}{1 − 2\, \ln θ} \\(c)\quad 0 < θ <
\sqrt{e}$

i continued but couldn't get this answer

You have:

$$\frac{1}{r}=-\ln(\theta)+\frac{1}{2}$$

If we combine terms on the RHS:

$$\frac{1}{r}=\frac{1-2\ln(\theta)}{2}$$

Invert both sides:

$$r=\frac{2}{1-2\ln(\theta)}$$

Now we know for the log function:

$$0<\theta$$

And we know:

$$1-2\ln(\theta)\ne0$$

$$1\ne2\ln(\theta)$$

$$\frac{1}{2}\ne\ln(\theta)$$

$$\theta\ne\sqrt{e}$$

As \(1<\sqrt{e}\), and we need the part of the solution containing the initial value, we conclude:

$$0<\theta<\sqrt{e}$$
 
Mahalo

I would have never gotten the interval
 
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quess some got lost in the transparency transform
 

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