2 capacitors in series w/ a dielectric.

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of two capacitors in series when one is filled with a dielectric while connected to a voltage source. Participants explore the implications of this setup on charge and potential difference across the capacitors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine whether the charge on the unfilled capacitor changes when a dielectric is introduced to the other capacitor. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between charge and potential difference in series configurations.

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The conversation reflects differing interpretations of how charge conservation applies in this scenario. Some participants suggest that the charge on each capacitor remains constant, while others challenge this notion, indicating that the potential differences will change. The discussion is ongoing with various perspectives being explored.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the fundamental rules governing capacitors in series, particularly in the context of introducing a dielectric. Participants are questioning their assumptions and clarifying definitions related to charge and potential difference.

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Two capacitors (lets call them C1 and C2) in series are connected to a voltage source and charged. While still connected to the source one of them is filled with a dielectric (lets say C2 is filled). I know the charge on C2 will change by a factor of K because the source keeps the potential differences of each capacitor constant. But does the charge of the unfilled capacitor (C1) change?
This is more of a conceptual question.

EDIT: I got it. The charge on the unfilled capacitor remains the same.
I would delete the thread but i can't figure out how to do that.
 
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Iron Charioteer said:
I know the charge on C2 will change by a factor of K because the source keeps the potential differences of each capacitor constant.
It doesn't, it keeps the sum of the potential differences constant.
Iron Charioteer said:
The charge on the unfilled capacitor remains the same.
It does not.
Changing the charge on one capacitor but not on the other would violate charge conservation.
 
Hmmm... I guess i didn't know what i thought i knew. Haha!
So what you're saying is that the the charge on each capacitor remains the same but the potential difference of the capacitors changes; i.e.
Vtotal=V1+V2=q/C1+q/KC2.
So the rule for capacitors in series holds even when a dielectric is inserted into one of the capacitors?
 
Iron Charioteer said:
So what you're saying is that the the charge on each capacitor remains the same
I'm not saying that.
Iron Charioteer said:
So the rule for capacitors in series holds even when a dielectric is inserted into one of the capacitors?
They apply before and afterwards separately, sure. They'll give different results, however.
 

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