2 Dimensional Question (rock projected from edge of top of building)

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The problem involves a rock projected from the edge of a building at an angle, requiring the determination of the building's height, the vertical component of the rock's velocity upon impact, and the overall magnitude of the rock's velocity when it strikes the ground. The context includes projectile motion with specified initial conditions and neglects air resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using trigonometry to resolve the initial velocity into horizontal and vertical components. There is uncertainty regarding the initial vertical velocity and its impact on subsequent calculations. Some participants suggest organizing the problem into horizontal and vertical components to clarify the motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing calculations and questioning the correctness of their approaches. There is a mix of attempts to apply kinematic equations, with some guidance provided on how to structure the analysis. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct values or methods yet.

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Participants note confusion regarding the initial vertical velocity and the implications of the problem's setup. There are also indications of discrepancies between calculated values and expected results as per homework feedback.

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Homework Statement


A rock is projected from the edge of the top of
a building with an initial velocity of 18.4 m/s
at an angle of 35◦ above the horizontal. The
rock strikes the ground a horizontal distance
of 96 m from the base of the building.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s2 .
Assume: The ground is level and that the
side of the building is vertical. Neglect air
friction.

The problem now asks for the height of the building, the vertical component of the rock's velocity when it strikes the ground, and the magnitude of the rock's velocity when it strikes the ground.

time = 6.369258724 sec
velocity in the x = 15.07239761 m/sec
acceleration = 9.8 m/sec*2
initial velocity in the y = 0 m/sec (don't know if that's right)

Homework Equations


height = (initial velocity in the y)(time) + 1/2(acceleration)(time)*2
time = sqrt(2 * height/acc.)
final velocity in the y*2 = initial velocity in the y*2 + 2(acceleration)(height)
final velocity in the y = initial velocity in y + (acceleration)(time)

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to use trigonometry to find the vertical component of the rock's velocity, but that did not work, but it did work for the horizontal component, and when finding the final velocity in the y, I used the third equation listed, but that did not work either. And, I don't quite understand what the question means by "the magnitude of the rock's velocity when it strikes the ground". I'm not sure whether the initial velocity in the y is 0, 18.4, or some other number, which is probably why I'm having trouble getting the height of the building.

Can anyone help?
Damion
 
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Sketch a vector 35 degrees above horizontal and mark it 18.4 m/s. Drop a vertical line from the end and make a horizontal line from the beginning so you have a right triangle. Mark the horizontal part Vx and the vertical part Vy. Note that sin (35) = Vy/18.4. Multiply both sides by 18.4 to get Vy = 18.4*sin(35).
Similarly use cosine to find the Vx.

To organize the trajectory motion problem, I suggest you make two headings: horizontal and vertical. In each case ask yourself if the motion is accelerated or not and then write the appropriate formulas under the headings. Fill in the numbers and see what you can find! If you show your work here, we can check it and make suggestions.
 
Vy=10.55380643 m/sec (I did this before, but the HW said that it wasn't the vertical component of the velocity of the rock when it struck the ground

a = 9.8 (positive because the rock is falling)

Viy = ?

Vf = Vi + at

Vf = 0 + (-9.8)(6.369258724)

Vf = -62.418973549

h = Viy (time) + 1/2(acc.)(time)*2
= 0 + 4.9(6.369258724)*2
= 4.9 (40.56745669)
= 198.7805378 (HW said this was wrong)

That's all I have so far, and I'm STILL confused on how to find the magnitude of the rock's velocity.
 
Horizontal:
d = vt
96 = 15.07 t
t = 6.37 s. This is the time of flight to ground strike.

Vertical:
d = Vi*t + .5*a*t^2

= 0 + 4.9(6.369258724)*2
is not quite right. The Vi in the vertical direction is 10.55 as you said earlier.
Also, you need a minus sign on the 4.9 because the 10.55 is upward and the acceleration is downward.
 
Thanks for the help! I greatly appreciate it!

Damion
 

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