2 Types Of Magnetic Potential Energy

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The discussion revolves around two types of magnetic potential energy equations, exploring their definitions, derivations, and the symbols involved. Participants are examining theoretical aspects of magnetic potential energy in the context of electromagnetism.

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  • Some participants identify two equations for magnetic potential energy: ##U = -\vec \mu \cdot \vec B## and ##U = \frac{1}{2} \int \mathbf{A} \cdot \mathbf{J} \, \mathrm{d}V##, questioning their derivations and differences.
  • One participant notes that the first equation measures the mechanical work done by rotating a magnetic dipole in a uniform magnetic field, while the second is derived from the expression for field energy ##W=\int{\vec{H}\cdot\vec{B}}dV##.
  • Another participant suggests that the second equation's terms could relate to kinetic and potential energy, referencing the electromagnetic Lagrangian and expressing uncertainty about the division of tensor elements into these categories.
  • There are repeated requests for clarification on the symbols used in the equations, indicating a need for foundational understanding of the terms involved.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the equations and their implications, with no consensus reached on the derivations or the relationships between the terms involved.

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Some participants note the need for a deeper understanding of electromagnetic theory to fully grasp the concepts discussed, indicating potential limitations in the discussion's accessibility.

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There are 2 types of magnetic potential energy equations:
1. ##U = -\vec \mu \cdot \vec B##
2. ##U = \frac{1}{2} \int \mathbf{A} \cdot \mathbf{J} \, \mathrm{d}V##

- I have searched for the second equation, only can find some information in one web site. Do you know what their names are and differences?

- I see that second energy equation is derived from magnetic vector potential. But for the first equation, which potential equation is it derived from? Is it magnetic scalar potential?
 
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Please explain the symbols: U, μ, A, J, V.
 
The first equation simply measures the mechanical work done by rotating a magetic dipole μ in a uniform magnetic feld.
The second equation comes from the expression for field energy W=\int{\vec{H}\cdot\vec{B}}dV. I`m looking at the derivation from that to your equation given in Sommerfeld`s book (the only one I have handy at home) but you should find it in any upper level undergrad book.
 
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Hesch said:
Please explain the symbols: U, μ, A, J, V.
Energy, magnetic moment, vector potential, current density, volume. If you don't know what they mean, you`ll need to study a little E&M first.
 
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marcusl said:
The first equation simply measures the mechanical work done by rotating a magetic dipole μ in a uniform magnetic feld.
The second equation comes from the expression for field energy W=\int{\vec{H}\cdot\vec{B}}dV. I`m looking at the derivation from that to your equation given in Sommerfeld`s book (the only one I have handy at home) but you should find it in any upper level undergrad book.

The first part looks good, but notice that the second equation contains the current density. I think A \cdot J could be associated with the kinetic energy, and H \cdot B the potential energy. These terms appear in the electromagnetic lagrangian as the magnetic components of A^J and F^*F . I'm not sure how the various tensor elements divide into potential and kinetic energy.
 
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