Can conservation of energy be applied to this problem?

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The discussion centers on the application of conservation of energy and angular momentum in the context of a rocket's elliptical orbit. The participant correctly identifies the equations for conservation of mechanical energy and angular momentum but questions the validity of applying these principles due to the expulsion of mass from the rocket. The consensus is that the mass of the spaceship is negligible, allowing for the application of conservation laws without concern for expelled mass affecting the calculations.

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Homework Statement



http://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2010/upload/2010_FmaSolutions.pdf
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Homework Equations



\taunet = 0 \Rightarrow Lo = L
Conservation of Mechanical Energy

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I started by writing two equations: one for conservation of angular momentum and one for conservation of mechanical energy for the two given points of the elliptical orbit. This gave me,

3/2vo2 = GM/(2R)

Obviously taking the square root provides the answer given. And I know that sqrt[GM/(2R)] is an equation for the speed of a particle in a circular orbit. However, something does not seem quite right here.

Is it valid to apply conservation of energy? Is mass not expelled to thrust the rocket? Moreover, by applying conservation of mechanical energy instead to the maximum distance point on the elliptical orbit and any point on the circular orbit, would then the speed not remain remain vo due to the potential energy not changing (same radius)?

I also tried applying the conservation of angular momentum to the same two points. Following that logic, I also reached the conclusion that the speed not remained vo, also because the radius did not change. Since this is wrong, it lead me to question whether the external torque really was zero... is it incorrect to regard the rocket thrust as an internal torque?

I guess what I am asking here is for an outline of the correct thought process involved in solving this problem. Thank you.
 
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Sferics said:
Is it valid to apply conservation of energy? Is mass not expelled to thrust the rocket?

Your approach is perfect.
The mass of the spaceship is given to be negligible. So don't worry about mass being expelled.
 

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