28 year old's startup wants to completely kill credit cards

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a startup called Dwolla, which aims to eliminate the need for credit cards in online payments. Participants explore the implications of this payment system for consumers and businesses, comparing it to existing alternatives like PayPal and discussing its potential impact on transaction costs and consumer behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight Dwolla's low transaction fee of $0.25 compared to credit card fees, suggesting it could benefit businesses significantly.
  • Others argue that the advantages primarily favor business owners rather than consumers, as the cost to the consumer remains unchanged regardless of payment method.
  • A few participants express skepticism about Dwolla's innovation, noting that there are already many alternatives to PayPal and questioning whether Dwolla will gain widespread adoption.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for new payment technologies to encourage increased consumer spending, referencing studies on payment methods that lead to higher spending.
  • Some participants share personal experiences with existing payment systems, arguing that traditional methods like checks and debit cards are sufficient and expressing reluctance to adopt new technologies.
  • There is a discussion about the hidden costs associated with credit card transactions that consumers may not see, with some suggesting that a flat fee could be beneficial overall.
  • Participants also speculate on the potential reactions of credit card companies to Dwolla's model and whether it might lead to renegotiated rates for merchants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the effectiveness and innovation of Dwolla compared to existing payment methods, as well as the implications for consumers and businesses.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference historical payment systems that failed, indicating skepticism about the longevity of new payment technologies. There are also mentions of varying consumer behaviors and preferences that may affect the adoption of Dwolla.

  • #61
DaveC426913 said:
Y'know...

:rolleyes:

One day your money may have a hiccup. And you'll be on hold, asking those nice people with their accents where it's gone. Perhaps it's time to move your home branch to a slightly more bricks & mortar, flesh & blood management?
Guess I'm screwed: my bank doesn't have branches! All they have is interest bearing checking, atm fee rebates and an ap for my droid to instantly deposit checks via the phone's camera! :(
 
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  • #62
russ_watters said:
Guess I'm screwed: my bank doesn't have branches! All they have is interest bearing checking, atm fee rebates and an ap for my droid to instantly deposit checks via the phone's camera! :(

Do you have a solution to the safety deposit box issue? The last brick & mortar bank account I have is purely to be able to have a safety deposit box, given all banks I've checked locally say they won't sell one unless you have some other relationship with them.
 
  • #63
PAllen said:
Do you have a solution to the safety deposit box issue? The last brick & mortar bank account I have is purely to be able to have a safety deposit box, given all banks I've checked locally say they won't sell one unless you have some other relationship with them.
Buy a nice old fire-resistant Mosler safe and keep the valuables at home. They are so honkin' huge and heavy that your biggest expense will be getting the movers to get it to your place. Still, you can find safes in the classifieds from time to time. Forget the little Sentry safes. If they are small enough for one or two people to lug off, they are worthless.
 
  • #64
DaveC426913 said:
Y'know...

:rolleyes:

One day your money may have a hiccup.
No problem, Dave, If I really want face-time with a human, I can do that in any branch world wide. The most convenient one is about 50 yards walk from where I work. But there's no benefit in making that my home branch.

In any case that's not where my main financial assets are. Most UK retail banks have a lousy record for "financial advice" and investment products.
 
  • #65
AlephZero said:
No problem, Dave, If I really want face-time with a human, I can do that in any branch world wide. The most convenient one is about 50 yards walk from where I work. But there's no benefit in making that my home branch.

The point is face-time with the same human.

I am a "remote banker" too, but I sure want to have the option of being on a first name basis with someone when I need something from my bank.
 

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