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2nd order DEQ: weird solution method

  1. Mar 12, 2007 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Suppose that u(t) is a solution to

    y'' + p(t)y' + q(t)y = 0

    Suppose a second solution has the form

    y(t) = m(t)u(t)

    where m(t) is an unknown function of t. Derive a first order linear differential equation for m'(t).

    Suppose y(t) = e^(2t). Use the method above to find a second solution to this equation.

    3. The attempt at a solution

    I tried:

    y = m*u
    => m = y/u
    => m' = (y'/u) - (y/(u^2))*u'

    There isn't anything in my book or in my class notes that describes the technique to be used here. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get started?
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2007
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  3. Mar 12, 2007 #2
  4. Mar 13, 2007 #3
    Surely this is recommended where e^{2t} is a solution to the original 2nd order diff. eq. Right? Then, like Mindscrape says, it's variation of parameters.
     
  5. Mar 13, 2007 #4
    try using this equation:

    Y2=y1*integral{[e^(-integral p(t))dt]}/[(y1)^2]dt

    y1=y(t)=e^(2t)

    then the general solution is: y=c1y1+c2y2
     
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  6. Mar 13, 2007 #5
    And also to add, your method works best when the p(t)y' value is excluded from the equation. You can solve your problem by the method you mentioned above, but it cost much time and leaves much room for mistakes, and you are essentially guessing by trial and error by multiplying u(t) by respective powers of x, or m, as you would put it. So therefore, for the sake of your precious time and of doing unneeded amount of work, you should try this equation. Tell me how it works, I believe you will learn to like it. And, later you will learn to solve these problems without the guesswork, but the problems get very tedious, believe me.... I'm not a big fan of solving these equations by hand.
     
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  7. Mar 13, 2007 #6
    this is an inhomogeneous differential equation. the method of variation of parameters is for homogeneous. in the wikipedia article it is said to "determine the homogeneous solution using a method of your choice"

    as for as the other method is concerned: how can I use this method to derive a general first order linear differential equaiton for m'(t)? by the way mathgician, this method works great for finding the second solution!!!
     
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  8. Mar 13, 2007 #7
    never mind, mathgician, i out the way to find m'(t). your input helped a lot. i will post my solution to the problem if anyone is interested.
     
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