2nd order partial differential equation

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The discussion revolves around a second-order partial differential equation involving the variables x and y. The original poster attempts to solve the equation by substituting a new variable and applying an integrating factor, leading to a series of transformations and integrations.

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  • Participants explore the use of integrating factors and question the correctness of the original poster's approach. There is discussion about the integration process and the need for initial conditions to determine certain functions. Some participants suggest alternative integrating factors and express confusion about the application of exponential laws in their calculations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the integrating factor and discussing the implications of their findings. There is recognition of the need for clarity in the integration steps and the importance of initial conditions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct path forward.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating certain functions without additional information, and there is mention of potential difficulties in solving for functions based on given initial conditions.

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Hello all, this is my first post and I'm having trouble with some homework. Here is the problem:

Solve:
U_x_y - yU_y = e^x

I tried subbing V = U_y then I have

V_x - yV = e^x

I solve this as a linear equation with an integrating factor of e^{-\frac{1}{2}y^2}

and get

V = e^{\frac{1}{2}y^2}*(e^{-\frac{1}{2}y^2} \int e^x dx + f(y))

V = e^x + e^{\frac{1}{2}y^2}*f(y)

or
U_y = e^x + e^{\frac{1}{2}y^2}*f(y)

Now, how do I integrate the second part wrt y?

Thanks
 
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You have the wrong integrating factor. You integrated with respect to y to find it when you should have integrated with respect to x, treating y as a constant.

The function of y that you end up with in your result cannot be integrated without some sort of initial condition to let you determine what the function is.

For example, say you were given U_y(x=0,y) = y, then solving for f(y) (using the equation for U_y I arrived at) gives f(y) = y - \frac{1}{1-y}.

An initial condition U(x=a,y) = g(y) may be harder to solve, since it would involve an integral over f(y), though I would think you could just differentiate or Laplace transform to solve for f(y).
 
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Thanks Mute

So then my integrating factor should be

e^{-xy} right?

Then I have

V = e^{xy}[\int e^{-xy}e^x + f(y)]

V = e^{xy}[e^{1-y} \int e^x + f(y)]

V = e^{xy}[e^{1-y}e^x + f(y)]

V = e^{xy+x-y+1} + e^{xy}f(y)

U_y = e^{(x-1)y+x+1} + e^{xy}f(y)

And I was thinking I could bring the e^y into the generic function f(y) to get

U_y = e^{(x-1)y+x+1} + e^xf(y)

then integrate wrt y and get

U=\frac{1}{x-1}e^{(x-1)y+x+1} + e^xg(y) + h(x)

But when I put this U back into the original equation it doesn't work...

Does this make any sense?
 
The integrating factor is correct now, but you seem to be making the mistake e^{ab} = e^ae^b. The correct laws are (e^a)^b = e^{ab} and e^{a+b} = e^ae^b.

So, you should get

e^{-xy}V = \left[\int dx~e^{-xy}e^x\right] + f(y)= \left[\int dx~e^{x(1-y)}\right] + f(y) = \frac{e^{-xy}e^x}{1-y} + f(y)
 

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