2Questions: 1)Def. of Reg. Neighhoods 2)Zero in Homlgy and Hmtpy.

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The discussion revolves around two main questions: the definition of "regular neighborhoods" in the context of manifolds and the relationship between cycles that are zero in homology versus those that are zero in homotopy. The scope includes theoretical concepts in topology and algebraic topology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a clear definition of "regular neighborhood" in manifolds, expressing difficulty in finding satisfactory resources.
  • Another participant clarifies that the map from the fundamental group to the first homology group is induced by the identity map, explaining how loops relate to cycles in homology.
  • A different participant notes that a closed loop in a manifold is homologous to zero if it is the boundary of some surface, while being homotopic to a point is a stricter condition, illustrated with an example involving a loop dividing a surface with two handles.
  • One participant provides examples of cycles that are zero in homology but not in homotopy, mentioning the plane minus two points and the Klein bottle, discussing their fundamental groups and the nature of their loops.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the definitions and relationships between homology and homotopy, with no consensus reached on the definition of "regular neighborhoods" or specific examples of cycles.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of homology and homotopy, as well as the nature of cycles and their relationships to fundamental groups, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon.

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Hi, everyone:

A couple of things:

1) I wonder if someone can give me a good explanation/ref. for "regular neighborhood"

of a manifold. The standard Google searches have not been enough to find a clear

def; some hits require reading some 10 pages, others just seem unclear.


2) Does anyone know of example of cycles that are zero in homology but not
in homotopy or viceversa?. I know the result of homology being the Abelianization
of Pi_1 , but I don't know well what this map does at the level of individual
cycles/classes.

Thanks.
 
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(I assume you meant the fundamental group pi_1 and not the fundamental groupoid Pi_1)


The map from the fundamental group to the first homology group is induced by the identity map -- it sends (the homotopy class of) any loop to (homology class of) the cycle defined by that loop.

The kernel of abelianization, incidentally, is generated by commutators -- elements of the form ghg^{-1}h^{-1}. (I'm writing the group operation as multiplication) Furthermore, such a commutator is zero if and only if g and h commute.
 
very roughly, a closed loop in a manifold is homologous to zero if it is the boundary of some piece of surface, and is homotopic to a point if it is the boundary of some disc. So it is harder to be homotopic to a point than to be homologous to zero. Think of a loop that divides a surface with two handles in half, separating the two handles.
 
Bacle said:
Hi, everyone:

A couple of things:

2) Does anyone know of example of cycles that are zero in homology but not
in homotopy or viceversa?. I know the result of homology being the Abelianization
of Pi_1 , but I don't know well what this map does at the level of individual
cycles/classes.

Thanks.

the plane minus two points has fundamental group the free group on two generators, the two simple loops that circle the two points. draw a commutator and that is an example.

try the Klein bottle. its fundamental group has two generators a and b. each generates an infinite cyclic group and the relation ab = (-b)a
 

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