3 newspapers- a question about Inclusion–exclusion principle

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the inclusion-exclusion principle applied to a scenario with three newspapers in a city of 100,000 people. Participants explore how to calculate the number of people reading different combinations of newspapers, specifically focusing on those who read only one newspaper, at least two newspapers, and combinations of morning and evening newspapers. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify the meaning of percentages, questioning whether "10% read A" refers to those who read at least A or only A.
  • One participant proposes using a Venn Diagram to visualize the relationships between the groups of newspaper readers.
  • Another participant confirms that 10% reading A means at least A and expresses a desire to understand the calculations for parts (c) and (d) of the problem.
  • One participant calculates that the number of people reading only one newspaper is 20,000 based on their interpretation of the Venn Diagram.
  • There is a suggestion that parts (c) and (d) are related, with a focus on calculating the intersection of readers of morning and evening newspapers.
  • Participants discuss the specific percentages associated with each section of the Venn Diagram to derive the number of readers for various combinations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the percentages regarding newspaper readership, but there is no consensus on the calculations for parts (c) and (d) as they are still being explored and clarified.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not yet resolved the calculations for parts (c) and (d), and there is ongoing discussion about the implications of the Venn Diagram and the relationships between the different groups of newspaper readers.

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There is a city with 100,000 people, which has 3 newspapers: A, B and C. 10% read A, 30% read B, 5% read C. 8% read A and B, 2% read A and C, 4% read B and C and only 1% read all of them.
a) How much people read only one newspaper?
b) How much people read at least two newspapers?
c) If A and C are morning newspapers and B is an evening newspaper, how much people read at least one morning newspaper and one evening newspaper?
d) How much people read one morning newspaper and one evening newspaper?
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I did a&b and the answers that I got are:
a) 20,000
b) 12,000
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I would like to know how to solve the other parts of the question.
 
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lola19991 said:
There is a city with 100,000 people, which has 3 newspapers: A, B and C. 10% read A, 30% read B, 5% read C. 8% read A and B, 2% read A and C, 4% read B and C and only 1% read all of them.
a) How much people read only one newspaper?
b) How much people read at least two newspapers?
c) If A and C are morning newspapers and B is an evening newspaper, how much people read at least one morning newspaper and one evening newspaper?
d) How much people read one morning newspaper and one evening newspaper?
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I did a&b and the answers that I got are:
a) 20,000
b) 12,000
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I would like to know how to solve the other parts of the question.

Hey Lola! (Wave)

Can you clarify what '10% read A' means exactly?
Does it mean that '10% read at least A'? Or '10% read only A'?

Anyway, for (c) we want to know:
$$\#(\text{at least 1 morning paper} \land \text{at least 1 evening paper})
=\#\Big((A \cup C) \cap B\Big)
$$
Do you know how to calculate that (and what it means)?
Typically we draw a so called Venn Diagram to figure out something like that. (Thinking)
 
lola19991 said:
There is a city with 100,000 people, which has 3 newspapers: A, B and C. 10% read A, 30% read B, 5% read C. 8% read A and B, 2% read A and C, 4% read B and C and only 1% read all of them.
a) How much people read only one newspaper?
b) How much people read at least two newspapers?
c) If A and C are morning newspapers and B is an evening newspaper, how much people read at least one morning newspaper and one evening newspaper?
d) How much people read one morning newspaper and one evening newspaper?
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I did a&b and the answers that I got are:
a) 20,000
b) 12,000
--------------
I would like to know how to solve the other parts of the question.

How did you solve the first two?
Why is Part c any different? (A or C) and B
Why is Part d any different? Subset of the answer to Part c?

Translation Hint:
How MANY people? People are countable.
How MUCH sugar? Sugar is in countable, but it is measurable.
How MANY frogs? Countable.
How MUCH air? Measurable.
 
I like Serena said:
Hey Lola! (Wave)

Can you clarify what '10% read A' means exactly?
Does it mean that '10% read at least A'? Or '10% read only A'?

Anyway, for (c) we want to know:
$$\#(\text{at least 1 morning paper} \land \text{at least 1 evening paper})
=\#\Big((A \cup C) \cap B\Big)
$$
Do you know how to calculate that (and what it means)?
Typically we draw a so called Venn Diagram to figure out something like that. (Thinking)

It means that 10% read at least A and I would like to know how to calculate that and what it means and I know that part d is related to part c, so I would like to understand them both.
 
lola19991 said:
It means that 10% read at least A and I would like to know how to calculate that and what it means and I know that part d is related to part c, so I would like to understand them both.

Ok. So that means we have the following Venn Diagram.
\begin{tikzpicture}
\begin{scope}[blend group = soft light]
\fill[red!30!white] ( 90:2) circle (3);
\fill[green!30!white] (210:2) circle (3);
\fill[blue!30!white] (330:2) circle (3);
\end{scope}
\node at (90:5) {$A$};
\node at (210:5) {$B$};
\node at (330:5) {$C$};
\node at (90:3) {1\%};
\node at (210:3) {19\%};
\node at (330:3) {0\%};
\node {1\%};
\node at (30:2) {1\%};
\node at (150:2) {7\%};
\node at (270:2) {3\%};
\end{tikzpicture}
We can see that the people reading exactly 1 news paper are 1% + 19% + 0% = 20% of 100,000.
That is indeed 20,000 people. Good!

For (c) we want $(A∪C)∩B$.
That is, we look at the $A$ and $C$ combined.
And from those parts only the ones that are within $B$.
That is 7% + 1% + 3% isn't it? (Wondering)
 

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