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The discussion revolves around understanding reaction kinetics, specifically the definitions and relationships of reaction rates in various scenarios. The questions posed cover the applicability of the reaction rate definition, the implications of limiting reactants, and the differences in rate laws for different reactants in both elementary and complex reactions.

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  • One participant questions the situations in which the definition of reaction rate holds true, suggesting it may only apply when all rates are equal.
  • Another participant asserts that the definition applies universally, emphasizing the use of stoichiometric coefficients to ensure identical rates for all substances involved.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the equation for reaction rates is valid across all reaction orders and expresses understanding that complex reactions may have different rate laws compared to elementary reactions.
  • There is a discussion about whether the rate laws for different reactants can differ, with one participant proposing that the rate law for A could be different from that for B in complex reactions.
  • Participants express agreement on the relationship between reaction rates and stoichiometric coefficients, with one confirming that if the rate law for A is established, it must also apply to B.

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Participants exhibit some agreement on the use of stoichiometric coefficients and the general applicability of the reaction rate definition, but there remains uncertainty regarding the specific conditions under which these relationships hold true, particularly in complex reactions. Multiple views on the nature of rate laws and their applicability to different types of reactions are present.

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Limitations include potential assumptions about the nature of reactions (elementary vs. complex) and the dependence on definitions of reaction rates. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how rate laws may differ between reactants in complex reactions.

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Hi I need some help understanding reaction kinetics, and I’m trying to get an overview, so I’d really appreciate some help. I have 3 individual/quite unrelated questions, if you have time to answer one that would be very much appreciated.

1. In what situations dos the Definition of the reaction rate for a general reaction Hold true?

aA + Bb --> pP+qQ

-(1/a)*(d[A]/dt)= -(1/b)*(d/dt) = -(1/p)*(d[P]/dt) = -(1/q)*(d[Q]/dt)

I would assume this definition only holds true when all the rates are equal, so this does not apply for reactions where the rate of A is different from the rate of B (if this is possible)

2. If the rate of A is slower than the Rate of B, would they then not be comsumed at the same RATE because A would be the limiting factor, the equation -(1/a)*(d[A]/dt)= -(1/b)*(d/dt) holds true for all reactions?

3. Is it true that if the rate law for A + B --> C +D is givn by -d[A]/dt = k[A]^n^m with respect to A, then it might be different with repsect to B? So -d/dt might be different (slower or faster) than -d[A]/dt, so the -d[A]/dt=-d/dt = k[A]^n*^m only holds true for elementary reactions, while for complex reactions the rate law for -d[A]/dt could be equal to k[A] raised to a first order while -d/dt could be equalt to k[A]^2^1 (something different?)
 
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christian0710 said:
I would assume this definition only holds true when all the rates are equal, so this does not apply for reactions where the rate of A is different from the rate of B (if this is possible)

It is not possible. I already told you somewhere else that we use stoichiometric coefficients to make sure rates of the reaction for all substances involved are identical.
 
Hi borek, yes i was a bit confused on what question you were answering but now it seems more clear to me: What you are saying is that No matte what reaction we have (Zero order, first order, second order, complex) the equation -(1/a)*(d[A]/dt)= -(1/b)*(d/dt) = -(1/p)*(d[P]/dt) = -(1/q)*(d[Q]/dt) is true? and in some cases the rate of any of the reactants might display the following relationship = k[A]^m^n (for complex reactions) and in elementary reactions the orders of the reaction equals the koefficients of the reactants?

If this is a correct understanding, I'm really happy :)
 
Ohh yes an just to make sure it's 100% clear for me:

If -(1/a)*d[A]/dt)=k[A]^m^n

Then This must also be true

-(1/b)*(d/dt)=k[A]^m^n

:)
 
christian0710 said:
No matte what reaction we have (Zero order, first order, second order, complex) the equation -(1/a)*(d[A]/dt)= -(1/b)*(d/dt) = -(1/p)*(d[P]/dt) = -(1/q)*(d[Q]/dt) is true?


and in some cases the rate of any of the reactants might display the following relationship = k[A]^m^n (for complex reactions) and in elementary reactions the orders of the reaction equals the koefficients of the reactants?


christian0710 said:
If -(1/a)*d[A]/dt)=k[A]^m^n

Then This must also be true

-(1/b)*(d/dt)=k[A]^m^n


Yes, yes, yes & yes.
 
Thank you very much Borek - Now I'm really happy :D
 

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